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The problem with red flag laws

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That is why the Florida red flag law uses “clear and convincing evidence” (75-80%) as the standard to trigger a seizure.

2. The Petitioner must be the police, not a crazy, vengeful relative. This prevents “SWATing”.
 
https://www.backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/the-trouble-with-red-flag-laws/

He's talking about the laws allowing seizing of guns from someone "dangerous"--and pointing out how the laws won't always have the envisioned effect. Yet another example of what on the surface looks like a good idea but which is poorly done and can easily backfire.

This begs the question, what would you do?

Quoting your reference,

When pieces o’ feces like the one at Parkland wreak mass murders, we in the gun owners’ civil rights movement are the first to say, “We need psycho control, not gun control.”

And having read every red flag law enacted or proposed he has found none which adequately protect the non-psycho gun owners.

Are the members of the gun owners civil rights movement proposing that we establish a new standard for laws and regulations that they have to accomplish their intended reason for existing in every case with no untended consequences and innocents caught or that they shouldn't be implemented?

This comes close to the same rationale people used, for example, to attack the ACA, "There are still people without health insurance, the law is a failure, we should get rid of it" or to attack the war on poverty, "The program is a failure because there are still poor people, eliminate it." That is a standard of "if it isn't perfect, don't do it," applied to a law that they oppose for other reasons.
 
https://www.backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/the-trouble-with-red-flag-laws/

He's talking about the laws allowing seizing of guns from someone "dangerous"--and pointing out how the laws won't always have the envisioned effect. Yet another example of what on the surface looks like a good idea but which is poorly done and can easily backfire.

This begs the question, what would you do?

Quoting your reference,

When pieces o’ feces like the one at Parkland wreak mass murders, we in the gun owners’ civil rights movement are the first to say, “We need psycho control, not gun control.”

And having read every red flag law enacted or proposed he has found none which adequately protect the non-psycho gun owners.

Are the members of the gun owners civil rights movement proposing that we establish a new standard for laws and regulations that they have to accomplish their intended reason for existing in every case with no untended consequences and innocents caught or that they shouldn't be implemented?

This comes close to the same rationale people used, for example, to attack the ACA, "There are still people without health insurance, the law is a failure, we should get rid of it" or to attack the war on poverty, "The program is a failure because there are still poor people, eliminate it." That is a standard of "if it isn't perfect, don't do it," applied to a law that they oppose for other reasons.

You seem to have moved the goalposts here.

Yes, no red flag law is going to catch every nutter. However, he's not saying they are a bad thing because of that. Rather, he's saying care must be taken to minimize the abuse potential. I think he has a very valid point as these days the left is almost never looking for sensible rules, but rather to see how far they can go.

A simple change that could help: You can't report someone as a nutter if they have a restraining order against you.
 
i just watched the sheriff on the local news say "it's too dangerous for us to ask crazy people for their guns"
 
i just watched the sheriff on the local news say "it's too dangerous for us to ask crazy people for their guns"

For many years now I've been saying we need robots to lead police raids. Not RoboCop level, they would only be armed with tasers if even that. (To avoid destruction of evidence.) It would be a lot safer for everyone involved.
 
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