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The Senate Torture Report

I think this sums up my view well:
https://www.emptywheel.net/2014/12/...violations-of-international-human-rights-law/
Ben Emmerson is the UN’s Special Rapporteur on counterterrorism and human rights. His statement released yesterday in response to the SSCI torture report points out the clear responsibilities that the US has under the Convention Against Torture and other international human rights laws to prosecute not only those who carried out torture, but those who designed the torture program and gave orders for its implementation.

Emmerson opens by noting the delay in release of the report’s summary…
<snip…then quoting Emmerson’s statement>
"It is no defence for a public official to claim that they were acting on superior orders. CIA officers who physically committed acts of torture therefore bear individual criminal responsibility for their conduct, and cannot hide behind the authorisation they were given by their superiors.

However, the heaviest penalties should be reserved for those most seriously implicated in the planning and purported authorisation of these crimes. Former Bush Administration officials who have admitted their involvement in the programme should also face criminal prosecution for their acts.

President Obama made it clear more than five years ago that the US Government recognises the use of waterboarding as torture. There is therefore no excuse for shielding the perpetrators from justice any longer. The US Attorney General is under a legal duty to bring criminal charges against those responsible.

Torture is a crime of universal jurisdiction. The perpetrators may be prosecuted by any other country they may travel to. However, the primary responsibility for bringing them to justice rests with the US Department of Justice and the Attorney General".
Now just waiting for that ice skating rink to open up in hell……
 
If Holder WOULD bring charges we'd have one hell of a spectacle. I'd want the entire thing serialized on Netflix. What would do more harm to the US's reputation: not bringing charges or a global spectacle?
 
The ACLU is advocating pardons.

That would establish that crimes have been committed.


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I'm not a punitive person, but in this one case I'd like to see Cheney waterborded, sleep deprived, and fed rectally.
 
If Holder WOULD bring charges we'd have one hell of a spectacle. I'd want the entire thing serialized on Netflix.
What the hell, it’s not like Obama is going to accomplish anything in the next 2 years anyway :D

But yeah, if the administration had gone after these goons, back in 2009-10, the duct tape and toothpicks holding the economy somewhat together might have been blown apart within the boiling political cauldron. But then again, if the economy was so frickin screwed up, what was with the Af-Pak ramp up….

What would do more harm to the US's reputation: not bringing charges or a global spectacle?
I think the US burying the issue will do its reputation more harm. Actually, bringing torturers to justice would help rebuild our reputation. Now what would do more harm to the US internally? Yeah, probably bringing charges forward, assuming politicians would be caught up in the charges.
 
The ACLU is advocating pardons.

That would establish that crimes have been committed.
That would establish that crimes could be committed with impunity.

The world already knows the US was committing these crimes. This is news only to Americans.
It's only the details not previously reported by the foreign and alternative media.
 
People are dreaming if they think anything will happen to any of the people at the top who ordered the torture.

With the way Cheney talks now does anybody doubt he ordered this?

He is one who should stand trial for his orders.

He never will. US power will have to crumble first.

We can't even get accurate figures on police shootings in this country.

Does anybody believe we have the full story on US torture? Does anybody believe that there may have been many more deaths than have been reported?

How hard would it be for the torturers to hide their crimes? They snatched these people up. If they die, who is to say what happened to them?
 
Obama needs to act in the manner of Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford and recommended by ACLU. Pardon those who lead, did, and lied about what's in the report. Reiterate we hold to those agreements we signed in 1948 and 1988. Say its time to move on since we've done what we can in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Ask congress to make illegal using foreign countries for imprisonment of those we capture in war and bring every one of them to the US to suffer US justice. Who knows maybe some officer will feel afraid and kill of of these people. Then we'd get the legal system and cop system to reform, Yes indeed..

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People are dreaming if they think anything will happen to any of the people at the top who ordered the torture.

With the way Cheney talks now does anybody doubt he ordered this?

He is one who should stand trial for his orders.

He never will. US power will have to crumble first.

We can't even get accurate figures on police shootings in this country.

Does anybody believe we have the full story on US torture? Does anybody believe that there may have been many more deaths than have been reported?

How hard would it be for the torturers to hide their crimes? They snatched these people up. If they die, who is to say what happened to them?

We still haven't got the full story about witches killed in Maine and Massachusetts yet.

No more rope need. Moveon. org.
 
We still haven't got the full story about witches killed in Maine and Massachusetts yet.

We still talk about those witch hunts.

We'll be talking about some celebrities ass soon, and will not talk about this ugly torture thing again.
 
The ACLU is advocating pardons.

That would establish that crimes have been committed.
That would establish that crimes could be committed with impunity.

The world already knows the US was committing these crimes. This is news only to Americans.
It's only the details not previously reported by the foreign and alternative media.

Morally they're crimes, sure. But their defense is their actions were legal. Enhanced interrogation isn't torture because the U.S. legal definition of torture doesn't encompass enhanced interrogation.

If the choice is between absolutely nothing happening and pardons which at least implicitly class their actions as criminal...
 
Can Obama give a pardon without the party being accused of a crime? What if they don't accept the pardon?
 
Can Obama give a pardon without the party being accused of a crime? What if they don't accept the pardon?

They do not need one. At least to live in the US they do not need one.

And even with a US pardon they are not absolved from crimes committed in other countries by their order.
 
Apprently the former CIA chief doesn't like getting treated like a CIA prisoner:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/12/the-apex-of-cia-hypocrisy/383651/

Hayden avers that he and the CIA have been treated unfairly.

"Let's get to the report itself, which reads far more like a prosecutorial screed than it does some reasoned document as to what went on there," he told his interviewer. "I mean, this is a bill of attainder. This is accusations. You know the people at CIA were never interviewed, not me, not the other directors. No one actively involved in this program was ever interviewed by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence staff. It's as if we were tried and convicted in absentia. We were not given an opportunity to mount a defense. And there was no discovery process by which alleged evidence could be revealed and challenged."

Can you imagine? He feels as though he suffered the metaphorical equivalent of a conviction without a trial or evidence. He reputation is being "attacked" without due process.

Such is the outraged complaint of a man who said, after an American citizen's horrifying literal drone killing without charges or trial, "I'm quite comfortable with it."
 
I think this sums up my view well:
https://www.emptywheel.net/2014/12/...violations-of-international-human-rights-law/
Ben Emmerson is the UN’s Special Rapporteur on counterterrorism and human rights. His statement released yesterday in response to the SSCI torture report points out the clear responsibilities that the US has under the Convention Against Torture and other international human rights laws to prosecute not only those who carried out torture, but those who designed the torture program and gave orders for its implementation.

Emmerson opens by noting the delay in release of the report’s summary…
<snip…then quoting Emmerson’s statement>
"It is no defence for a public official to claim that they were acting on superior orders. CIA officers who physically committed acts of torture therefore bear individual criminal responsibility for their conduct, and cannot hide behind the authorisation they were given by their superiors.

However, the heaviest penalties should be reserved for those most seriously implicated in the planning and purported authorisation of these crimes. Former Bush Administration officials who have admitted their involvement in the programme should also face criminal prosecution for their acts.

President Obama made it clear more than five years ago that the US Government recognises the use of waterboarding as torture. There is therefore no excuse for shielding the perpetrators from justice any longer. The US Attorney General is under a legal duty to bring criminal charges against those responsible.

Torture is a crime of universal jurisdiction. The perpetrators may be prosecuted by any other country they may travel to. However, the primary responsibility for bringing them to justice rests with the US Department of Justice and the Attorney General".
Now just waiting for that ice skating rink to open up in hell……
That's my take here. The W Admin opened the box, said do whatever, signed off on a whole bunch of things. So to just blame the CIA is absurd. This starts and should fall on the Executive Branch. But because Dictator Obama already imprisoned the W Admin, and the entire right-wing of the political spectrum in the nation, there is no one left to charge.
 
We still haven't got the full story about witches killed in Maine and Massachusetts yet.

We still talk about those witch hunts.

We'll be talking about some celebrities ass soon, and will not talk about this ugly torture thing again.
For one thing, Obama stopped it. All he does now is use drones to fire on foreign citizens that may be suspected of wanting to support a crime against an American interest... so completely legit!

Did you say something about a celebrity's ass?
 
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