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The transgender issue is not stopping at restrooms

 
 
 
Now this could get interesting if it grows a little broader. Remember the story about the train car reserved only for women and children because it was more safe? Remember the stories about other women only places? Women only gyms? Women only other places with the interest of keeping harassment etc at bay or with idea that women are more vulnerable so should be more protected? How will trans play into that? Will they be accused of pretending to be women so they can get these perks otherwise denied to them as men? Bathrooms could indeed only be the starting point. How about affirmative action type hiring quotas? Do trans count as women for that?
 
True fact, the Scandinavian countries did away with gendered restrooms 10-20 years ago. Nobody could figure out why the two genders need different restrooms. All gone now. Anyhoo. The Scandinavian countries haven't had this transgendered restroom issue at all.

Do why is this still an issue?
 
DrZoidberg said:
True fact, the Scandinavian countries did away with gendered restrooms 10-20 years ago. Nobody could figure out why the two genders need different restrooms. All gone now. Anyhoo. The Scandinavian countries haven't had this transgendered restroom issue at all.

Do why is this still an issue?
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It's an election year and to GOP needs a wedge issue to get people scared about and out to the polls in order to stop it. That was gay marriage for about a decade, but nobody cares about that anymore so it doesn't get people off the couch and voting. They are now pretending that this is a serious and contentious issue which needs to be defended against.

Notice how one of the complaints about allowing for it was "some guy overheard someone on the street telling some other guy how he should abuse this regulation". I mean, with that level of concrete evidence against it, you should totally go out and vote for the GOP to have them stop this.
 
DrZoidberg said:
True fact, the Scandinavian countries did away with gendered restrooms 10-20 years ago. Nobody could figure out why the two genders need different restrooms. All gone now. Anyhoo. The Scandinavian countries haven't had this transgendered restroom issue at all.

Do why is this still an issue?
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The argument is that the men can't help themselves if a woman goes into their restroom.
 
DrZoidberg said:
True fact, the Scandinavian countries did away with gendered restrooms 10-20 years ago. Nobody could figure out why the two genders need different restrooms. All gone now. Anyhoo. The Scandinavian countries haven't had this transgendered restroom issue at all.

Do why is this still an issue?
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Well, I'm not Swedish, but . . .

Swedish activists push for gender neutral toilets
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http://www.thelocal.se/20150310/swedish-activists-push-for-gender-neutral-toilets

And, unlike the US, don't Swedes have to pay to use the public toilet? And aren't their stalls different than those stateside?
 
Derail aside, it is an interesting question.

Can homeless men get into women's shelters they would otherwise be denied and get the food and shelter they need, by posing as trans?
 
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Opponents of the regulation say homeless shelters should be a safe haven for women who have been abused by their husbands and boyfriends. They say those women may feel that they are in danger living with a transgender woman who was born a man.
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And they'd be comfortable with a bearded-masculine-looking female?
 
Perhaps the policy question is why the majority of people should have to give up an expectation of privacy and comfort so that 0.3% of the population can publicly affirm its gender dysphoria.
 
This wouldn't be an issue if there wasn't discrimination against men in these places and programs in the first place.

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By the way, does this trans thing work in race as well as gender? Remember that white lady that presented herself as black? Was that a trans white to black person and should she be respected for what she identifies as?
 
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Tim Wildmon, president of the conservative American Family Association, lamented having to “make room for people who are sexually confused at the expense of everyone else.”

“No one is in favor of beating up transgender people,” Wildmon told The Hill, “but why do you have to force other people to feel really uncomfortable, and in some cases unsafe, just to make your political point?”
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Do you think Mr. Wildmon is irony-impaired?
 
Trausti said:
Perhaps the policy question is why the majority of people should have to give up an expectation of privacy and comfort so that 0.3% of the population can publicly affirm its gender dysphoria.
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How does a transgender in the next stall affect my privacy and comfort?
I don't think anyone's seen my dick or my asshole in a public bathroom in 16 years (it'd be a lot longer than that except for some military bathrooms). I don't usually suffer comfort or privacy issues in public restrooms.

The only thing I ever want from the other person in a men's room is that they don't make eye contact. I can get that whether they're straight or gay, cis gendered or at any stage of the transgendering process.

To me, I have to ask if it's really a majority of people who get that upset about the plumbing one toilet over?
 
Keith&Co. said:
Trausti said:
Perhaps the policy question is why the majority of people should have to give up an expectation of privacy and comfort so that 0.3% of the population can publicly affirm its gender dysphoria.
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How does a transgender in the next stall affect my privacy and comfort?
I don't think anyone's seen my dick or my asshole in a public bathroom in 16 years (it'd be a lot longer than that except for some military bathrooms). I don't usually suffer comfort or privacy issues in public restrooms.

The only thing I ever want from the other person in a men's room is that they don't make eye contact. I can get that whether they're straight or gay, cis gendered or at any stage of the transgendering process.

To me, I have to ask if it's really a majority of people who get that upset about the plumbing one toilet over?
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Exactly, and how are you going to spot a transgender person? Look for the ween?

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Jolly_Penguin said:
Derail aside, it is an interesting question.

Can homeless men get into women's shelters they would otherwise be denied and get the food and shelter they need, by posing as trans?
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I also think they are confusing homeless shelters with battered women's shelters.
 
Keith&Co. said:
Trausti said:
Perhaps the policy question is why the majority of people should have to give up an expectation of privacy and comfort so that 0.3% of the population can publicly affirm its gender dysphoria.
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How does a transgender in the next stall affect my privacy and comfort?
I don't think anyone's seen my dick or my asshole in a public bathroom in 16 years (it'd be a lot longer than that except for some military bathrooms). I don't usually suffer comfort or privacy issues in public restrooms.

The only thing I ever want from the other person in a men's room is that they don't make eye contact. I can get that whether they're straight or gay, cis gendered or at any stage of the transgendering process.

To me, I have to ask if it's really a majority of people who get that upset about the plumbing one toilet over?
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If it really is no big deal, then what's the problem with using the bathroom designated for your gender?
 
Jolly_Penguin said:
Derail aside, it is an interesting question.

Can homeless men get into women's shelters they would otherwise be denied and get the food and shelter they need, by posing as trans?
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I would say that yes, they can. There will always be people who find a way to game the system to their advantage. The real question is whether or not the risk of that happening is enough of a problem to deny actual transgendered people to go to the shelter of the gender they identify with?

I would say that the answer to that question is no. It's about as much of a concern as was the concern that allowing gay marriage would create a rash of guys who were roommates in an apartment getting fake married in order to have one of them illegitimately qualify for the other's health insurance. I was in the southern US during the gay marriage debates and that was a VERY real concern amongst the right wingers. They weren't really concerned about anything like that, of course, it was just a way to try and apply a veneer of legitimacy to their bigotry by pretending that it was concern over fraud.
 
Trausti said:
Keith&Co. said:
How does a transgender in the next stall affect my privacy and comfort?
I don't think anyone's seen my dick or my asshole in a public bathroom in 16 years (it'd be a lot longer than that except for some military bathrooms). I don't usually suffer comfort or privacy issues in public restrooms.

The only thing I ever want from the other person in a men's room is that they don't make eye contact. I can get that whether they're straight or gay, cis gendered or at any stage of the transgendering process.

To me, I have to ask if it's really a majority of people who get that upset about the plumbing one toilet over?
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If it really is no big deal, then what's the problem with using the bathroom designated for your gender?
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Because certain mentally challenged persons have some significant defect in their brain which prevents them from understanding the difference between the shape of someone's meatsuit and the shape of the thing driving that meatsuit; they think that the shape of the meatsuit is prescriptive as to the shape of *self*, when it isn't. I just hope we don't have to wait until bodies are hot-swappable for that reality to sink in.

As long as the label "woman" carries the expectation that the carrier of that label behaves, acts, and functions in a particular manner in society as a consequence of that label, and as long as that label is assigned in part by where someone is forced to pee, people will be hesitant to want to pee in a place which carries the unwanted label and consequently the unwanted social expectations.
 
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