https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...a-sheds-light-on-secret-mission-idUSKBN1FI12I
Oops--the "rebel" leader died. In Syria. In a Russian general's uniform.
Oops--the "rebel" leader died. In Syria. In a Russian general's uniform.
Captain obvious strikes again!
Do you expect people shocked by that? You really believe this is Iran-Contras level revelation?
Nobody sane in Russia believes that there are no rusian (effectively) troops in Eastern Ukraine, nobody. It's worst kept secret.
Question is, how many and the answer is not many but enough to make current Ukrainian government effort for final solution fail.
Do you want to know something which is ACTUALLY kinda shocking? Ukrainian government assholes hate Russia so much that they buy gas from Europe. Russian gas is transported to Europe through the gas pipeline over Ukraine, companies in EU buy that gas, then sell it back (with profit) to Ukraine. And gas actually pass through pipelines back and forth. Then Ukrainian President proudly proclaims that Ukraine got rid of russian gas dependence. Same story with coal. They buy their eastern Ukraine coal through Poland and surprisingly .... Russia. And everybody in Ukraine knows it.
Go ahead.Captain obvious strikes again!
Do you expect people shocked by that? You really believe this is Iran-Contras level revelation?
Nobody sane in Russia believes that there are no rusian (effectively) troops in Eastern Ukraine, nobody. It's worst kept secret.
Question is, how many and the answer is not many but enough to make current Ukrainian government effort for final solution fail.
Do you want to know something which is ACTUALLY kinda shocking? Ukrainian government assholes hate Russia so much that they buy gas from Europe. Russian gas is transported to Europe through the gas pipeline over Ukraine, companies in EU buy that gas, then sell it back (with profit) to Ukraine. And gas actually pass through pipelines back and forth. Then Ukrainian President proudly proclaims that Ukraine got rid of russian gas dependence. Same story with coal. They buy their eastern Ukraine coal through Poland and surprisingly .... Russia. And everybody in Ukraine knows it.
Dude: I can find a thousand posts on this forum where you denied that Russian troops were in Eastern Ukraine!
No, their hate is the cause, not the effect.The reason why some Ukrainian's hate Russia is that you invade them and take their land....
Yes, there is a difference. Yes without help from Russia which is mostly advisory and financial with occasional direct involvement these rebel republics would probably have fallen. So yes, there is this difference. Now, US is helping current regime in Kiev which let be honest is only slightly more legitimate than what we have in Eastern Ukraine.Barbos, we all agree that this news isn't surprising.
Surely though, you must recognize that there is a big difference between a retired Russian footsoldier choosing to join ranks with rebels in Ukraine and an active duty Russian General leading Ukranian rebels while still taking orders directly from Moscow.
Do you see the difference?
You can replace "Moscow" with "Washington" and you won't be wrong.You just have to know how the world works to know at least what is being attempted.
What Moscow wants is to control governments.
That is how you get what you want.
If it can't do that it will try to subvert governments and get another one.
And if there are any people loyal to Moscow it will exploit them as well. To the greatest extent possible.
You can replace "Moscow" with "Washington" and you won't be wrong.You just have to know how the world works to know at least what is being attempted.
What Moscow wants is to control governments.
That is how you get what you want.
If it can't do that it will try to subvert governments and get another one.
And if there are any people loyal to Moscow it will exploit them as well. To the greatest extent possible.
Captain obvious strikes again!
Do you expect people shocked by that? You really believe this is Iran-Contras level revelation?
Nobody sane in Russia believes that there are no rusian (effectively) troops in Eastern Ukraine, nobody. It's worst kept secret.
Question is, how many and the answer is not many but enough to make current Ukrainian government effort for final solution fail.
Do you want to know something which is ACTUALLY kinda shocking? Ukrainian government assholes hate Russia so much that they buy gas from Europe. Russian gas is transported to Europe through the gas pipeline over Ukraine, companies in EU buy that gas, then sell it back (with profit) to Ukraine. And gas actually pass through pipelines back and forth. Then Ukrainian President proudly proclaims that Ukraine got rid of russian gas dependence. Same story with coal. They buy their eastern Ukraine coal through Poland and surprisingly .... Russia. And everybody in Ukraine knows it.
Go ahead.
No, their hate is the cause, not the effect.The reason why some Ukrainian's hate Russia is that you invade them and take their land....
Commies were not big on "exploiting". In fact exact opposite was happening. They were giving money left and right to buy loyalty while their own population was living way worse than these allies they were helping.You can replace "Moscow" with "Washington" and you won't be wrong.You just have to know how the world works to know at least what is being attempted.
What Moscow wants is to control governments.
That is how you get what you want.
If it can't do that it will try to subvert governments and get another one.
And if there are any people loyal to Moscow it will exploit them as well. To the greatest extent possible.
Every power.
They all do it.
That was the Cold War. The Soviet Union controlling and exploiting in it's sphere in Eastern Europe and elsewhere and the US doing the same in many places like South and Central America and Western Europe and Korea and Vietnam and Indochina and elsewhere.
Captain obvious strikes again!
Do you expect people shocked by that? You really believe this is Iran-Contras level revelation?
Nobody sane in Russia believes that there are no rusian (effectively) troops in Eastern Ukraine, nobody. It's worst kept secret.
Question is, how many and the answer is not many but enough to make current Ukrainian government effort for final solution fail.
Do you want to know something which is ACTUALLY kinda shocking? Ukrainian government assholes hate Russia so much that they buy gas from Europe. Russian gas is transported to Europe through the gas pipeline over Ukraine, companies in EU buy that gas, then sell it back (with profit) to Ukraine. And gas actually pass through pipelines back and forth. Then Ukrainian President proudly proclaims that Ukraine got rid of russian gas dependence. Same story with coal. They buy their eastern Ukraine coal through Poland and surprisingly .... Russia. And everybody in Ukraine knows it.
Nope, Rebellion is a real thing, but Moscow is no doubt and within reasonable limits assisting militarily/financially, because these guys are not qualified to conduct large scale military defense even against such a week force as Ukrainian army. Plus Moscow provides unifying center for different factions.Captain obvious strikes again!
Do you expect people shocked by that? You really believe this is Iran-Contras level revelation?
Nobody sane in Russia believes that there are no rusian (effectively) troops in Eastern Ukraine, nobody. It's worst kept secret.
Question is, how many and the answer is not many but enough to make current Ukrainian government effort for final solution fail.
Do you want to know something which is ACTUALLY kinda shocking? Ukrainian government assholes hate Russia so much that they buy gas from Europe. Russian gas is transported to Europe through the gas pipeline over Ukraine, companies in EU buy that gas, then sell it back (with profit) to Ukraine. And gas actually pass through pipelines back and forth. Then Ukrainian President proudly proclaims that Ukraine got rid of russian gas dependence. Same story with coal. They buy their eastern Ukraine coal through Poland and surprisingly .... Russia. And everybody in Ukraine knows it.
You don't get the implications.
There's no way the guy was there without Moscow's ok. That means the "rebels" were really Russians in disguise. That was an invasion, not a rebellion.
Yes, ukrainian army made a whoopsie.Next thing you'll be telling me that the missile that shot down that airliner wasn't fired off because someone made a whoopsie.
Yes, ukrainian army made a whoopsie.Next thing you'll be telling me that the missile that shot down that airliner wasn't fired off because someone made a whoopsie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812
Yes, ukrainian army made a whoopsie.Next thing you'll be telling me that the missile that shot down that airliner wasn't fired off because someone made a whoopsie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812
If you are payed by Moscow I think they should ask about a refund. But it´s not like Russia is brimming with talent.