The Unequal Opportunity Race

[ZiprHead]

This is often false. Immigrant groups that are successful in the US usually show up with a great deal of wealth, are often admitted to elite colleges and Universities, and the like. those who show up with little to nothing are generally refugees, and they're far less successful - see Vietnamese, Hmong, or Haitian communities as examples, in comparison to Indian, Chinese, or Nigerian immigrants.

I agree with this. Do people really think poor Indians show up and immediately buy quarter of a million dollar convenience stores?

I just figured they got issued a business when they turned 16 like all white people do.

 

[ruby sparks]

My father was the child of immigrants and was the first in his family to go to college. I have inherited nothing but an expectation I would make something of myself.

None of either of my parents families (as in them or their sisters, brothers or cousins) ever went to college, and I am the only one of the Irish wing of the family of my generation who did. My father was illiterate (could not read or write). My mother was the educated one of the two of them, and she left school at 14 (to help at home, my father was taken out of school at 11 to help on the small farm). Like you, I inherited nothing (in terms of money).

I do agree that disadvantaged whites have been somewhat neglected, and the issues facing them comparatively under-appreciated, as far as I can see (from afar) in the USA.

There are times when I am partly inclined to give some credence to the theory that the wealthy and powerful and conservative elites in the USA benefit from (and may even encourage) less well off people of various ethnicities squabbling and arguing and competing with one another because it distracts them from realising that they might otherwise realise that they have a very profound common social cause. This is partly why I suspect that what passes for 'leftism' in the USA is in many ways seen as a dirty word, sometimes imo for very little good reason. I'm not even averse to considering using the word brainwashing, to be honest.

 

[dismal]

My father was the child of immigrants and was the first in his family to go to college. I have inherited nothing but an expectation I would make something of myself.

None of either of my parents families (as in them or their sisters, brothers or cousins) ever went to college, and I am the only one of the Irish wing of the family of my generation who did. My father was illiterate (could not read or write). My mother was the educated one of the two of them, and she left school at 14 (to help at home, my father was taken out of school at 11 to help on the small farm). Like you, I inherited nothing (in terms of money).

I do agree that disadvantaged whites have been somewhat neglected, and the issues facing them comparatively under-appreciated, as far as I can see (from afar) in the USA.

There are times when I am partly inclined to give some credence to the theory that the wealthy and powerful and conservative elites in the USA benefit from (and may even encourage) less well off people of various ethnicities squabbling and arguing and competing with one another because it distracts them from realising that they might otherwise realise that they have a very profound common social cause. This is partly why I suspect that what passes for 'leftism' in the USA is in many ways seen as a dirty word, sometimes imo for very little good reason.

I'm not claiming to be "disadvantaged" at all. I was pretty fortunate to have parents who had expectations of me, and raised me to have expectations for myself.

 

[ruby sparks]

I'm not claiming to be "disadvantaged" at all. I was pretty fortunate to have parents who had expectations of me, and raised me to have expectations for myself.

That's ok. I didn't necessarily mean you personally or that you felt especially 'disadvantaged'. Myself, I was disadvantaged in certain ways and advantaged in others. Yes, if you had parents who did that then you were fortunate in that respect.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

This is often false. Immigrant groups that are successful in the US usually show up with a great deal of wealth, are often admitted to elite colleges and Universities, and the like. those who show up with little to nothing are generally refugees, and they're far less successful - see Vietnamese, Hmong, or Haitian communities as examples, in comparison to Indian, Chinese, or Nigerian immigrants.

I agree with this. Do people really think poor Indians show up and immediately buy quarter of a million dollar convenience stores?

I worked with Punjab Indians for about decade. The usual route for them here is to get a license to drive a truck and do that until they earn enough to buy their own truck. They usually start off as a driver working for somebody and the dedicated ones wind up with their own truck and maybe even their own small fleet of trucks. For Filipinos is often the same except usually with cleaning.

 

[dismal]

I'm not claiming to be "disadvantaged" at all. I was pretty fortunate to have parents who had expectations of me, and raised me to have expectations for myself.

That's ok. I didn't necessarily mean you or that you felt 'disadvantaged'. Myself, I was disadvantaged in certain ways and not in others.

Well, I guess I was disadvantaged in that I never had an old white guy come up and hand me my share of the white privilege wealth like in the video.

But I have suffered that nobly and soldiered ahead.

 

[ruby sparks]

Well, I guess I was disadvantaged in that I never had an old white guy come up and hand me my share of the white privilege wealth like in the video.

But I have suffered that nobly.

And that speaks well of you.

But, on a wider scale, the racial wealth gap in the USA is arguably obscene. The average wealth of a black person is only 6% of the average wealth of a white person. That's incredible. And there is very little doubt that quite a bit of the gap is down, directly and indirectly, to stuff like racism and structural inequalities over time. So most white kids, even if not all and not you, do benefit from it compared to other groups, to a variety of extents.

 

[dismal]

Well, I guess I was disadvantaged in that I never had an old white guy come up and hand me my share of the white privilege wealth like in the video.

But I have suffered that nobly.

And that speaks well of you.

But, on a wider scale, the racial wealth gap in the USA is arguably obscene. The average wealth of a black person is only 6% of the average wealth of a white person. That's incredible. And there is very little doubt that quite a bit of the gap is down, directly and indirectly, to stuff like racism and structural inequalities over time.

So, why is the median income for Asians significantly higher than whites?

In spite of their well-documented lagging behind other races on positive personality traits like "likability" and "courage".

We just aren't good enough at discriminating against them? We forgot to structure the right inequalities to keep them down?

 

[ruby sparks]

So, why is the median income for Asians significantly higher than whites?

In spite of their well-documented lagging behind other races on positive personality traits like "likability" and "courage".

We just aren't good enough at discriminating against them? We forgot to structure the right inequalities to keep them down?

I think at least some of the potential answers to your questions have already been offered in this thread, and we're only on page 3. You're reading the other posts in the thread, right?

As to 'forgetting' to structure inequalities, asians just haven't had the same history. One can compare, but one can't equate their situation with that of native blacks.

 

[ruby sparks]

I think this video is a little better than the cartoon above at illustrating opportunity.

[YOUTUBE]https://youtu.be/4K5fbQ1-zps[/YOUTUBE]

Great video. Even allowing for the religious aspect.

 

[dismal]

So, why is the median income for Asians significantly higher than whites?

In spite of their well-documented lagging behind other races on positive personality traits like "likability" and "courage".

We just aren't good enough at discriminating against them? We forgot to structure the right inequalities to keep them down?

I think at least some of the potential answers to your questions have already been offered in this thread, and we're only on page 3. You're reading the other posts in the thread, right?

As to 'forgetting' to structure inequalities, asians just haven't had the same history. One can compare, but one can't equate their situation with that of native blacks.

I can certainly compare them. I just did. I'm not saying "their situation is the same" They is something obviously very different about their situation. The question is "what?".

How can people with so little likability and courage be so successful?

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Well, I guess I was disadvantaged in that I never had an old white guy come up and hand me my share of the white privilege wealth like in the video.

But I have suffered that nobly.

And that speaks well of you.

But, on a wider scale, the racial wealth gap in the USA is arguably obscene. The average wealth of a black person is only 6% of the average wealth of a white person. That's incredible. And there is very little doubt that quite a bit of the gap is down, directly and indirectly, to stuff like racism and structural inequalities over time.

So, why is the median income for Asians significantly higher than whites?

In spite of their well-documented lagging behind other races on positive personality traits like "likability" and "courage".

We just aren't good enough at discriminating against them? We forgot to structure the right inequalities to keep them down?

Asians were only exploited (railroad), bombed (Japan, Vietnam), put in concentration camps (Japanese Americans) and occupied (Philippines) by America. Never enslaved.

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How can people with so little likability and courage be so successful?

I see what you did there, from another thread, but I think a lot of people won't, and will think YOU are calling asian people low on likeability and courage. You may want to connect the dots a little more clearly.

 

[ruby sparks]

They is something obviously very different about their situation. The question is "what?".

I see. So your internet is not working properly and some of the other posts are not coming up on your screen. That's a disadvantage for you.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

And there is very little doubt that quite a bit of the gap is down, directly and indirectly, to stuff like racism and structural inequalities over time.

I think it has mostly to do with the fact that their ancestors were slaves, truly at zero, and that there isn't a very good system in the US giving everyone a fair chance regardless of socioeconomic starting point. That carries over generations as you say. It also created cultural and social expectations and learned helplessness within black families and communities. I think that is why fresh black immigrants so often do so much better today than home born, because the barriers are more historical than present day.

Systemic racism (Jim crow type and otherwise) didn't and doesn't help matters of course, and thankfully has been reduced dramatically over the years... until recently when we're now seeing pushes FOR racial discrimination by purported liberals thinking they are pushing for equality and inclusion.We should stop with the racial discrimination, rather than add to it. We should also put in better social support and encouragement, independent of race. Tying it to race only breeds more racism. Tying it to socioeconomic status, and lifting everyone in such a situation without being racist about it, will truly help society, and in doing so will even out those numbers you are focused on.

Being truly inclusive and not divisive by race is the way forward. Don't judge anybody by their race, period. Doing so feeds on itself.

 

[dismal]

They is something obviously very different about their situation. The question is "what?".

I see. So your internet is not working properly and some of the other posts are not coming up on your screen. That's a disadvantage for you.

Alternatively, I don't blindly accept everything I read on the internet.

Assuming you do, I should mention I'm a Nigerian Prince with a huge mount of money in a bank account I'd like you to help me access.

 

[ruby sparks]

Alternatively, I don't blindly accept everything I read on the internet.

I think what you mean is, despite being a resident and a citizen of a country, you don't really know all that much about what really goes on or went on in it, outside of your own personal experience perhaps. You lack basic information. That's another disadvantage. Maybe you are more disadvantaged than you thought, after all.

 

[dismal]

Alternatively, I don't blindly accept everything I read on the internet.

I think what you mean is, despite being a resident and a citizen of a country, you don't really know all that much about what really goes on or went on in it, outside of your own personal experience perhaps. You lack basic information. That's another disadvantage. Maybe you are more disadvantaged than you thought, after all.

I have information that Asians out earn white people. I know some theories as to why that are not particularly controversial among the non-deluded.

 

[dismal]

How can people with so little likability and courage be so successful?

I see what you did there, from another thread, but I think a lot of people won't, and will think YOU are calling asian people low on likeability and courage. You may want to connect the dots a little more clearly.

I’m sure that people participating in an affirmative action discussion would know that calling Asians less likable and courageous is something one cites as evidence of a lack of discrimination.

 

[ruby sparks]

I have information that Asians out earn white people. I know some theories as to why that are not particularly controversial among the non-deluded.

Good. Whatever you do, don't let facts get in the way of your thinking. That will ruin your whole approach.

 

[dismal]

I have information that Asians out earn white people. I know some theories as to why that are not particularly controversial among the non-deluded.

Good. Whatever you do, don't let facts get in the way of your thinking. That will ruin your whole approach.

What facts are you talking about? You don’t seem to offer much in the way of facts.

I have cited facts. You have not.