Tragedy in Nigeria: #BlackLivesMatterEverywhere

[Nice Squirrel]

The corruption caused by oil is an impI think the Nigerian government is sold out to foreign oil investors.

And this is why we shouldn't do anything at all to help. [\royaldickfacedjerk]

 

[Trausti]

So blacks are angels not capable of having self-caused problems????


Look around the web, the corruption problems with Nigeria are well known. Providing aid that can be stolen is useless in such a situation.

You don't hear of Boko Haram taking control of the oil extraction fields. The oil companies in Nigeria probably get all the protection they need. It appears the Nigerian military is feckless when it comes to protecting the indigenous peoples of the region, but they must surely have a hand in protecting the oil fields. The corruption caused by oil is an important factor. To the oil companies, their smooth operation comes before the lives of the people there. I believe Nigeria has one of the larger armies in the area, yet it must have as its main duty protecting the oil people. The other people...???? Not so much.

I think the Nigerian government is sold out to foreign oil investors.

The oil fields are in the Christian south. Boko Haram doesn't operate there. But calling the Nigerian Military feckless is apt; it's doing its best to avoid a confrontation.

 

[jab]

Tell me Loren.

Is there anything that can be done to black people that you feel is so heinous that is rises to level of someone stepping in and at least attempting to stop it?



Boko Haram is the bad party here, not the Nigerian govt. Well maybe when Boko Haram does their first mass killing of white people, it won't be on African soil and won't too many die.

So blacks are angels not capable of having self-caused problems????


Look around the web, the corruption problems with Nigeria are well known. Providing aid that can be stolen is useless in such a situation.

You summarize her position as, "So blacks are angels"
Um: She wrote, "Boko Haram is the bad party here,"--I don't think she is equating "bad Party" with "angels" here,

 

[Axulus]

Nigeria has major corruption problems. Anything we try to do short of directly deploying force is mostly going to go into the kleptocrats' pockets.

Tell me Loren.

Is there anything that can be done to black people that you feel is so heinous that is rises to level of someone stepping in and at least attempting to stop it?



Boko Haram is the bad party here, not the Nigerian govt. Well maybe when Boko Haram does their first mass killing of white people, it won't be on African soil and won't too many die.

He said we could send in our forces. That is not "nothing" as you are claiming.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

So blacks are angels not capable of having self-caused problems????


Look around the web, the corruption problems with Nigeria are well known. Providing aid that can be stolen is useless in such a situation.

You don't hear of Boko Haram taking control of the oil extraction fields. The oil companies in Nigeria probably get all the protection they need. It appears the Nigerian military is feckless when it comes to protecting the indigenous peoples of the region, but they must surely have a hand in protecting the oil fields. The corruption caused by oil is an important factor. To the oil companies, their smooth operation comes before the lives of the people there. I believe Nigeria has one of the larger armies in the area, yet it must have as its main duty protecting the oil people. The other people...???? Not so much.

I think the Nigerian government is sold out to foreign oil investors.

You always want to blame big business or western governments for all the ills of the world.

Sorry, but Nigeria was a fucked-up mess even before the oil. It's not a matter of foreign interests, it's a matter of kleptocrats who are only out for themselves. Of course the oil fields are protected--they make money for the kleptocrats to steal.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

So blacks are angels not capable of having self-caused problems????


Look around the web, the corruption problems with Nigeria are well known. Providing aid that can be stolen is useless in such a situation.

You summarize her position as, "So blacks are angels"
Um: She wrote, "Boko Haram is the bad party here,"--I don't think she is equating "bad Party" with "angels" here,

Look at the first part of her message--she was objecting to my saying there wasn't anything we reasonably could do. Ignore the part about Boko Haram, my original would have been clearer if I didn't quote that part.

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Tell me Loren.

Is there anything that can be done to black people that you feel is so heinous that is rises to level of someone stepping in and at least attempting to stop it?



Boko Haram is the bad party here, not the Nigerian govt. Well maybe when Boko Haram does their first mass killing of white people, it won't be on African soil and won't too many die.

He said we could send in our forces. That is not "nothing" as you are claiming.

I don't think it would work very well, though--we would be constantly sold out by locals making a buck spying for Boko Haram.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Tell me Loren.

Is there anything that can be done to black people that you feel is so heinous that is rises to level of someone stepping in and at least attempting to stop it?



Boko Haram is the bad party here, not the Nigerian govt. Well maybe when Boko Haram does their first mass killing of white people, it won't be on African soil and won't too many die.

So blacks are angels not capable of having self-caused problems????


Look around the web, the corruption problems with Nigeria are well known. Providing aid that can be stolen is useless in such a situation.

Yes Loren, angels, saints, and goodness and light.

Your problem with your argument is, you have to show how the people of Iraq and afganistan are angels worthy of intervention? Well, are they?

And, as usual, answer to question averted.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

You don't hear of Boko Haram taking control of the oil extraction fields. The oil companies in Nigeria probably get all the protection they need. It appears the Nigerian military is feckless when it comes to protecting the indigenous peoples of the region, but they must surely have a hand in protecting the oil fields. The corruption caused by oil is an important factor. To the oil companies, their smooth operation comes before the lives of the people there. I believe Nigeria has one of the larger armies in the area, yet it must have as its main duty protecting the oil people. The other people...???? Not so much.

I think the Nigerian government is sold out to foreign oil investors.

You always want to blame big business or western governments for all the ills of the world.

Sorry, but Nigeria was a fucked-up mess even before the oil. It's not a matter of foreign interests, it's a matter of kleptocrats who are only out for themselves. Of course the oil fields are protected--they make money for the kleptocrats to steal.

I am turning off my snark. Loren, really are you that cold to say that these innocent people don't deserve any help because of their government's corruption? Because that is what I have been reading into your words and they fill me with deep disgust.

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[Medicine Man]

....A U.S. problem that (just) might be of interest to the folks in Nebraska.

A bit off topic, but how is what is happening in a dysfunctional third world country like Nigeria relevant to a pipeline project in the US?

You mean....BESIDES the fact pipelines HAVE LEAKED??

Yeah...I know...the hip/trendy thing (for "conservatives"/Republicans), recently, is to see who can come-up with the most-creative apology (typically, for their racist/bigoted comments), but....apologies don't clean-up oil-spills.

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[Medicine Man]

You don't hear of Boko Haram taking control of the oil extraction fields. The oil companies in Nigeria probably get all the protection they need. It appears the Nigerian military is feckless when it comes to protecting the indigenous peoples of the region, but they must surely have a hand in protecting the oil fields. The corruption caused by oil is an important factor. To the oil companies, their smooth operation comes before the lives of the people there. I believe Nigeria has one of the larger armies in the area, yet it must have as its main duty protecting the oil people. The other people...???? Not so much.

I think the Nigerian government is sold out to foreign oil investors.

You always want to blame big business or western governments for all the ills of the world.​

Yeah.....imagine that.....



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[Loren Pechtel]

So blacks are angels not capable of having self-caused problems????


Look around the web, the corruption problems with Nigeria are well known. Providing aid that can be stolen is useless in such a situation.

Yes Loren, angels, saints, and goodness and light.

Your problem with your argument is, you have to show how the people of Iraq and afganistan are angels worthy of intervention? Well, are they?

And, as usual, answer to question averted.

Is Google translating my posts to some other language?

It has nothing to do with being angels. The issue is that the corruption in Nigeria is so great that aid will just go into the pockets of the kleptocrats rather than to it's intended purpose.

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You always want to blame big business or western governments for all the ills of the world.

Sorry, but Nigeria was a fucked-up mess even before the oil. It's not a matter of foreign interests, it's a matter of kleptocrats who are only out for themselves. Of course the oil fields are protected--they make money for the kleptocrats to steal.

I am turning off my snark. Loren, really are you that cold to say that these innocent people don't deserve any help because of their government's corruption? Because that is what I have been reading into your words and they fill me with deep disgust.

How about having that disgust with your English comprehension??

It has nothing to do with "deserve". It's about "able to".

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Yes Loren, angels, saints, and goodness and light.

Your problem with your argument is, you have to show how the people of Iraq and afganistan are angels worthy of intervention? Well, are they?

And, as usual, answer to question averted.

Is Google translating my posts to some other language?

It has nothing to do with being angels.

Loren you brought up angels. Now you say this has nothing to do with angels. Make up your mind.

The issue is that the corruption in Nigeria is so great that aid will just go into the pockets of the kleptocrats rather than to it's intended purpose.

Exactly how would actions like we took in Iraq and Afghanistan (you know "boots on the ground") go into someone's pockets?

And no I am not calling for boots on the ground, I just want to know how that would work.

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You always want to blame big business or western governments for all the ills of the world.

Sorry, but Nigeria was a fucked-up mess even before the oil. It's not a matter of foreign interests, it's a matter of kleptocrats who are only out for themselves. Of course the oil fields are protected--they make money for the kleptocrats to steal.

I am turning off my snark. Loren, really are you that cold to say that these innocent people don't deserve any help because of their government's corruption? Because that is what I have been reading into your words and they fill me with deep disgust.

How about having that disgust with your English comprehension??

It has nothing to do with "deserve". It's about "able to".

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BTW Loren, you have yet to answer the original question


Tell me Loren.

Is there anything that can be done to black people that you feel is so heinous that is rises to level of someone stepping in and at least attempting to stop it?

 

[Nice Squirrel]

How about having that disgust with your English comprehension??

It has nothing to do with "deserve". It's about "able to".

So we are unable to help because their government is corrupt. Check.

It makes perfect nonsense.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

How about having that disgust with your English comprehension??

It has nothing to do with "deserve". It's about "able to".

So we are unable to help because their government is corrupt. Check.

It makes perfect nonsense.

The only thing we could do to help is go after them directly--and with a huge number of locals spying for the terrorists this would be difficult.

 

[Axulus]

You always want to blame big business or western governments for all the ills of the world.

Sorry, but Nigeria was a fucked-up mess even before the oil. It's not a matter of foreign interests, it's a matter of kleptocrats who are only out for themselves. Of course the oil fields are protected--they make money for the kleptocrats to steal.

I am turning off my snark. Loren, really are you that cold to say that these innocent people don't deserve any help because of their government's corruption? Because that is what I have been reading into your words and they fill me with deep disgust.

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Western liberal democracies are the "world"? We stood up for Charlie Hebdo because it was an attack on a core value of the West in the West: freedom of expression.

Why isn't Africa doing it's own mass rallies? Or is this problem of terrorism a white man's burden?

Has Nigeria solicited our help? Nope, in fact it refuses in general:

Nigeria is unlikely to accept help, even on a case with this much international focus, and it would aggressively reject help were it to be forced on them.

Nigeria is top contributor to the United Nations peacekeeping missions and prides itself on offering help to other nations rather than needing it. In recent years, perhaps as a result of its past as a British colony, it’s viewed American military expansion into Africa through the creation of the U.S. Africa Command with deep suspicion. It had previously rejected a U.S. drone presence to tackle Boko Haram.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/05/14/227458/us-aid-wont-solve-nigerias-boko.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Axulus]

Somalia has 10M people, which are 98% Muslim. Nigeria has 150M people, and is roughly 50-50 Muslim-Christian. Now consider that Iraq only has 36M people, and is a very open and arid country.

Part of why US aid has been somewhat limited, is that the Nigerian Govt. isn't very nice either:
http://blogs.rollcall.com/five-by-f...itary-aid-to-nigeria-to-hunt-boko-haram/?dcz=


More details:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Nigeria

Oct 2013, more aid to government-militaries that utilize under 18 soldiers in the Horn of Africa:
http://www.commondreams.org/news/20...ays-military-aid-countries-use-child-soldiers


US soldiers in Africa here, here, here, here, and here....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...rently-has-troops-in-these-african-countries/

Don't me me wrong, I find this a sad situation. However, it isn't much different than about a dozen other African nations. The US record of "helping" war ravaged nations isn't exactly stellar. We have dicked around Somalia for a decade, and now there is a marginal government controlling a capital. So what should the US do? Should we deploy the drone army? Who do we help?

"Who do we help?"

Evidently not African nations.

And I think we should just say so.

And just say, we fight wars for the benefit of corporations and their bottom line and we don't give a damn about people, principles, or posterity.

Just say

The US as a stabilizing force in the world is a sham and in actuality, is a dick.

What corporations benefited from war in Afganistan that would not similarly benefit from war in Nigeria? What corporations benefit from drone strikes in Pakistan that could not also similarly benefit from strikes in Nigeria?

Your view of the world is simplistic and conspiratorial - very emblematic of political fundamentalists who see everything in black and white.

 

[Axulus]

So let's get this straight:

We have a country that hasn't asked for our help, that would largely refuse it if offered, would be considered an act of war in any other context if we send in boots on the ground or engage in drone strikes without permission, a government that would pocket the money for their own corrupt purposes if sent to them to fight against Boko Haram, a country where some northern politicians are partially aligned with Boko Haram or at least sympathetic to their cause, and a country with severe tensions among the Muslim north and the Christian south that has become a failed state with things deteriorating rapidly, whose military suffers from low morale and itself is notorious for human rights abuses, and yet somehow Loren is the problem here for suggesting that we stay out of this mess. Really now?

Some sobering background reading:

Nigeria: Our Stand - This State Has Failed

http://allafrica.com/stories/201404170133.html

U.S. aid won’t solve Nigeria’s Boko Haram troubles, experts say

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/05/14/227458/us-aid-wont-solve-nigerias-boko.html#storylink=cpy

Nigeria's terrorism problem

http://foreignpolicy.com/2011/08/26/nigerias-terrorism-problem/

 

[Axulus]

What about the Nigerian people? They seem to be paralyzed. People are eying the presidential elections in February, almost as if they are in a trance, apparently hoping that somehow everything will be different afterwards.

In the meantime, many sling mud at each other in social networks and newspapers and accuse those who have a different faith, or support a different presidential candidate, of organizing the terror. How can they then expect solidarity from the world? With whom or for whom should people in Berlin, New York or Cape Town march in support?

Not only politicians in Europe or the United States, but also in Africa itself appear to be just as perplexed as Nigerian civil society by Nigeria's inactivity.

Faced with fresh terrorist threats against his country, Cameroon's president, Paul Biya, has again appealed for help from the international community. Nigeria's neighbors, which include Cameroon, along with France, the United States, Britain and even China, have repeatedly offered Abuja their assistance.

But only recently the United States reduced its support to the Nigerian military back to a minimum, because Washington did not have the impression that the Nigerian military was serious about fighting Boko Haram. Neighboring Niger and Cameroon seem to have come to similar conclusions.

Therefore, Nigeria has mostly itself to blame if it does not experience any solidarity. This is terrible because it is not the political elites who are paying the price. The price is being paid by a steadily growing number of victims – Christians, Muslims, men, women and children.

http://www.dw.de/opinion-solidarity-with-nigerias-terrorism-victims-yes-but-how/a-18186489

 

[Unbeatable]

"Who do we help?"

Evidently not African nations.

And I think we should just say so.

And just say, we fight wars for the benefit of corporations and their bottom line and we don't give a damn about people, principles, or posterity.

Just say

The US as a stabilizing force in the world is a sham and in actuality, is a dick.

But since we don't give a damn about principles (e.g. honesty), why exactly would we say that? How does being honest help the corporations' bottom line?

 

[Derec]

You mean....BESIDES the fact pipelines HAVE LEAKED??

Yeah, nothing is perfect. So if perfection is your standard you'd have to get rid of all technology, not just pipelines.

Yeah...I know...the hip/trendy thing (for "conservatives"/Republicans), recently, is to see who can come-up with the most-creative apology (typically, for their racist/bigoted comments), but....apologies don't clean-up oil-spills.

The question is not whether accidents happen but how often, how seriously and what is done to clean up. And you can't compare situation in the US with situation in Nigeria, where, as your own video shows, the problem can be traced back to government corruption, rebel activity and oil thieves.
The fact is that we will have to move oil from A to B as long as we use the stuff. And whether Athabasca oil sands are moved by pipeline or railroad matters as pipelines are more fuel efficient, cheaper and safer.


Two suggestions:
- lose the different colors - they are distracting
- do not post videos by Putin Today if you want to be taken seriously. Did you know Russia produces oil too? And that they move it by pipelines? Hard to believe, but true.