I agree as well. In fact, not only does being muslim not make him not crazy, but being muslim makes him a little crazy. At the very least we know he has an imaginary friend.
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I agree as well. In fact, not only does being muslim not make him not crazy, but being muslim makes him a little crazy. At the very least we know he has an imaginary friend.
DrZoidberg
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Sweden has taken in a lot of Syrian refugees. Per capita, more than anyone else. ISIS wants to keep Syrians in Syria. I think few things are more damaging to the ISIS regime than Syrian enemies established outside the country. That could be a reason?
I'm not saying this was a terrorist attack. If it was, it was carried out by incredibly incompetent terrorists.More details. It was a small truck and the building it drove into was almost completely undamaged.
barbos
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After they refused to become islamic at once.
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I'm not saying that as an excuse. I'm pointing it out as evidence of a lack of planning. I don't think the people who did this were planing to do it. Isn't that a requirement for terrorism? It has to be part of some plan.
Another interesting detail from my friends who were in the area is all the reports of shooting. One friend who has an office right next to this spot, was just about to leave his office when it happened. So crowds of people fled into the lobby. Some were crying hysterically and they were saying that there was gunfire. None of my friends heard any gunfire. There were several reports of gunfire in various areas in places we know there were no gunfire. Quite a few people seemed to have heard it even though everything points to that it didn't happen. Just an interesting detail about witness psychology.
LordKiran
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Not directly related but there are accounts that during the Salem witch trials, women in the benches would frequently lose their collective shit, all claiming to fall under the influence of the witch on trial.
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What point are you trying to make ? That this wasn't an act of terrorism? This is just the actions of an unhinged person who happens to have islamist leanings ? How does this latest incident in Sweden differ from the Islamist incident in London a few weeks ago ? It doesn't, it's the same shit, different location.
LordKiran
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Motivations, goals, and methodology are what defines an act or terrorism.
If the motivations and goals of the person had nothing to do with Islam or it's advancement, then the only commonality left is methodology. Not exactly much to go on.
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Um, depends upon the strength of the bollard. We have some that will gut entire transmissions before they let anything on 4 wheels pass.
Many of the recent attacks in Israel appear to be suicide-by-Jihad.
Suicide is normally condemned, but a suicide attack is praised. Is it any wonder that you find mental cases engaging in suicide attacks?
DrZoidberg
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If this is terrorism, then we've widened the meaning to the point where it's meaningless.
repoman
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A general question, not related to this incident.
Is islamic extremism "right-wing" extremism?
Is islamic extremism "right-wing" extremism?
I would say so yes, Islam itself is very conservative, authoritarian, and "right wing". Although the irony is that in the west those on the left tend to support these Muslims more than those on the right.
I think you're asking if Islamic extremism is similar to right-wing extremism? If that's the case, then the answer is yes.
I was writing an even longer answer, but then I realized it would be more helpful if I opened a thread in the "General Religion" Section; I'm going to wait until I have prepared my materials to do that, because I think it would be more helpful for members to have all the common questions answered as well as perhaps gain some insight from my own perspective and understanding and study.
Peace.
DrZoidberg
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I have another question. If this is masterminded by ISIS and London and Stockholm is the best they can do at this point, that must mean that ISIS is incredibly weak now. So weak that their terror can be ignored.
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Yes, I'm sure the families of the dead will sleep well knowing ISIL'S strategy of encouraging lone wolf attacks by Muslims living in Europe can be ignored, Because even if this was one it will never happen ever again
DrZoidberg
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Is that the ambition? It will happen again. Somebody will kill others for ideological reasons at some point. Humans are prone to extremist views. We can't stop random idiots killing a couple of people. That would require a police state. And if we ignore it the terrorist have lost. If we ignore it, it becomes nothing but a suicidal political extremist committing a murder suicide for some lost cause.
Now I have a third friend who was there. His office was on the opposite corner overlooking the events. He's filled with shame over that he didn't run down to help. Instead he turned to social media. He thinks he may have been the first in the world to report it. On twitter. He didn't leave the office. He just stayed there looking down, chatting about it. Too scared to do anything. His self image has radically changed. He thought he'd be the kind of guy who would drop everything to help in a crisis situation. He wasn't.
On another note, the police have gotten stellar reviews for how they handled it. That's comforting to know, if something a bit bigger would happen, we know the cops are on top of it here.
DrZoidberg
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The latest news is that the 39-year old Uzbek man had applied for asylum and not gotten it. He was about to be deported.
We can speculate all day for the reason that he'd rather kill himself than go home. But there you have it. An unhappy and probably depressed man had had his dreams of a better life in Sweden crushed and he didn't take it like a man.
I don't think this was terrorism. I think this was just a suicide attempt. And he didn't even do that right, since he survived. Just a loser, yet again, losing at life.
We can speculate all day for the reason that he'd rather kill himself than go home. But there you have it. An unhappy and probably depressed man had had his dreams of a better life in Sweden crushed and he didn't take it like a man.
I don't think this was terrorism. I think this was just a suicide attempt. And he didn't even do that right, since he survived. Just a loser, yet again, losing at life.
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You are not being logical. One of the reasons why you don't think is terrorism is because it was so poorly executed. By the same logic, this could not have been a suicide attempt because he obviously mucked it up. If I had to grade the guy, I'd say he was much better at terrorism than suicides.