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Trump creates initiative to decriminalize homosexuality world wide - that's racist.

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Trump’s Plan to Decriminalize Homosexuality Is an Old Racist Tactic

The Trump administration is set to launch a global campaign to decriminalize homosexuality in dozens of nations where anti-gay laws are still on the books, NBC News reported Monday. While on its surface, the move looks like an atypically benevolent decision by the Trump administration, the details of the campaign belie a different story. Rather than actually being about helping queer people around the world, the campaign looks more like another instance of the right using queer people as a pawn to amass power and enact its own agenda.
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The most telling detail of NBC News’ report is that his plan centers homophobic violence in Iran, who NBC News calls the administration’s “top geopolitical foe.” The plan has reportedly been spearheaded by the U.S. ambassador to Germany, Richard Grenell, who is also the administration’s top-ranked gay official, in response to news that a young gay man was hanged in Iran recently. Grenell has had his eyes on Iran for some time and just a week ago, he was trying to get several European nations to pass sanctions on Iran, unrelated to the country’s stance on homosexuality, to no avail.
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The truth is, this is part of an old colonialist handbook. In her essay, “Can the Subaltern Speak?” postcolonial theorist Gayatri Spivak coined the term “White men saving brown women from brown men” to describe the racist, paternalistic process by which colonizing powers would decry the way men in power treated oppressed groups, like women, to justify attacking them. Spivak was referencing the British colonial agenda in India. But Grennell’s attack might be a case of white men trying to save brown gay men from brown straight men, to the same end.

Iran, which throws gay people off rooftops, is better than Trump who is trying to stop them from throwing gay people off rooftops.
 
Iran is a fundamentalist autocracy with some democratic trappings.

Very much like the US.

In Iran many are insanely opposed to homosexuals.

Just like in the US.
 
First let me say: Orange Man BAD!

Second, it seems like any intelligent discussion about this would be focused on exactly what is going to be done.

I suppose I don't have a big problem with some sort of sanctions or other consequences against countries who persecute homosexuals, but it leaves open the question of what process determines which countries those are, and if I'm going to head down that path I'd probably start with a broader focus on all basic human rights.
 
Iran is a fundamentalist autocracy with some democratic trappings.

Very much like the US.

Very different than US.
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In Iran many are insanely opposed to homosexuals.

Just like in the US.

Yes, in the US gays can get married, and have been elected governors and to US Congress. Just like in Iran. :rolleyes:
 
Well, good for him. His motivations for it are probably racist, since that tends to be a base trait of his motivations, but who cares? A the-end-justifies-the-means reaction would be appropriate.
 
Well, good for him. His motivations for it are probably racist, since that tends to be a base trait of his motivations, but who cares? A the-end-justifies-the-means reaction would be appropriate.

It's pretty racist of you to assume that only countries with brown skinned people persecute homosexuals.
 
Well, good for him. His motivations for it are probably racist, since that tends to be a base trait of his motivations, but who cares? A the-end-justifies-the-means reaction would be appropriate.

It's pretty racist of you to assume that only countries with brown skinned people persecute homosexuals.

I didn't. I assumed that Trump's position had to do with his trying to put a hammer down on Muslim countries.

It's pretty racist of you to assume that I would think that Trump's positions match up with some form of external reality just because I'm white. Reverse racism like that is still racism, my friend. :mad:
 
I didn't. I assumed that Trump's position had to do with his trying to put a hammer down on Muslim countries.
Muslim is not a race.
Take Iran. Iranians are white, and thus the whole "racism" nonsense is invalid.

Ayatolah Khomeini even looks like Sean Connery.
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Iran, which throws gay people off rooftops, is better than Trump who is trying to stop them from throwing gay people off rooftops.

I read the article, but I'm having trouble finding anything in it the says or remotely implies that Iran is better than Trump, or that Iran's treatment of gays is not abhorrent. Perhaps you can quote that for us, although I suspect not.

All that seems to be in that article is the observation that conservatives (and Trump in particular) have a history of dishonestly pretending to care about an injustices that their other actions and internal inconsistencies suggest they don't, in order to provide political cover to attack the perpetrators of those injustices for ulterior motives.
Nothing in the article implies the noted injustices are not real or their perpetrators are not bad.

The fact that Russian controlled Chechnya has had government-run violent purges and imprisonment of gays going on for years with nothing from Trump (he refused to bring it up to Putin or any Russian officials he met with), makes it a bit suspicious that he suddenly comes forth with this days after Iran executed a gay man, a country Trump just happens to want to invade.
This suspicion is supported by Trump's past opportunistic use of violence against gays, such as the Orlando shooting that he used to push anti-Muslim legislation rather than anything that would really help reduce the widespread violent hatred of gays in the US, most of which comes from Christians.

The LGBT community would love to believe that Trump sincerely cares about and will fight for their basic rights, they just have mountains of evidence to doubt that is true.
 
I didn't. I assumed that Trump's position had to do with his trying to put a hammer down on Muslim countries.
Muslim is not a race.
Take Iran. Iranians are white, and thus the whole "racism" nonsense is invalid.

Ayatolah Khomeini even looks like Sean Connery.
image961_ayatolla_connery2.jpg

I was told Iranians were Caucasian some years back.

But it’s possible they’ve had their white privileges revoked since then.

I never see them at the meetings.
 
It's not racist. Just pandering to Israeli lobby that wants US to attack Iran.
 
I didn't. I assumed that Trump's position had to do with his trying to put a hammer down on Muslim countries.
Muslim is not a race.
Take Iran. Iranians are white, and thus the whole "racism" nonsense is invalid.

Ayatolah Khomeini even looks like Sean Connery.
image961_ayatolla_connery2.jpg

I was told Iranians were Caucasian some years back.

But it’s possible they’ve had their white privileges revoked since then.

I never see them at the meetings.

Not only are they Caucasian, they are Aryans! Iran means "of the Aryans."
 
I really wish we could get some of the Outrage Mob in here to clarify some of this.

I'd hate to accidentally criticize the wrong person's anti-gay views and be called a racist.
 
I really wish we could get some of the Outrage Mob in here to clarify some of this.

I'd hate to accidentally criticize the wrong person's anti-gay views and be called a racist.

It is very simple, just be consistent in applying a principle of protecting gay rights and criticizing attacks on those rights within your own self-identified in-group, rather than attacking gay rights and ignoring state-sponsored murder of gays by your friends, then suddenly pretending to be outraged when a person of an ethnicity you have shown bigotry toward also attacks gays.

Also, do not further expose the dishonesty of your pro-gay outrage by throwing out red herrings about the scientifically suspect racial categories applied by some professional biologists. Even if those categorizations were objectively valid, they would have no relevance to the psychological process of racism, where all the matters is whether the person engaging in the act views the other people as belonging to a distinct subgroup from themselves.
 
I really wish we could get some of the Outrage Mob in here to clarify some of this.

I'd hate to accidentally criticize the wrong person's anti-gay views and be called a racist.

The trouble is the bigotry of low expectations employed by the Left. Iranians are viewed as non-Western, non-White, and non-Christian; thus, is it apparently racist to expect that they be judged by the same standards with which we judge ourselves.
 
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