Trump’s Conspiracy Went Far Deeper Than Initially Thought

[SLD]

What if Donald Trump's conspiracy was even bigger than we thought?

There was, it increasingly appears, a conspiracy involving some in the most senior levels of the Trump administration to end American representative democracy and replace it with a strongman oligarchy along the lines of Putin’s Russia or Orbán’s Hungary.This would be followed, after the January...

www.alternet.org

He very likely compromised intelligence assets to Putin. He likely was bribed by the Saudis. And Qatar. He was supported by many other Republicans, especially Rand Paul. He had every intention of destroying the Constitution and installing the Republican Party in power permanently and suppressing dissent. His second term is going to be interesting.

 

[Swammerdami]

The day before [purging princes disloyal to the murderous Crown Prince], CBS and The Intercept quoted MBS as gloating that Kushner was “in his pocket.”
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Meanwhile, throughout his presidency, Donald Trump was having secret phone conversations with Russia’s President Putin (over 20 have been identified, including one just days before the 2020 election)
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The manager of his 2016 campaign, Paul Manafort, who previously worked on behalf of Vladimir Putin, has recently admitted that he was regularly feeding inside campaign information to Russian intelligence.
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There are, after all, credible assertions that when Trump was elected, members of Russian intelligence and Putin’s inner circle were literally partying in Moscow, explicitly celebrating a victory they truly believed they helped make happen.

In his first months in office, Trump outed an Israeli spy to the Russian Ambassador, resulting in MOSAD having to “burn” (relocate, change identity of) that spy. That, in turn, prompted the CIA to worry that a longtime US spy buried deep in the Kremlin was similarly vulnerable to Trump handing him over to Putin.
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The CIA concluded that the risk Trump had burned the spy was so great that, at massive loss to US intelligence abilities that may have helped forestall the invasion of Ukraine, we pulled the spy out of Russia in 2017.

Similarly, when they met in Helsinki, Trump and Putin talked in private for several hours and Trump ordered his translators’ notes destroyed; there is also concern that much of their conversation was done out of the hearing of the US’s translator (Putin is also fluent in English and German)...

Dismal as all this is to read, it's mostly old news and will be ignored by almost every Republican.

What is especially exasperating is that Trump sold his country out for mere peanuts. Do not give the Trump crime family too much credit. Ivanka is just a spoiled rich girl who wants to party with Manhattan socialites like Chelsea Clinton. Her father would be a mediocre car salesman if he hadn't stolen fortunes from his siblings and nieces. Eric and Don Junior are too stupid to merit mention.

Don Senior is too much of a narcissist and blabbermouth to be entrusted with major geopolitical frauds. His appetite for grifting was sated by pettiness: by making Federal employees pay room and board at his resorts and by pilfering gifts intended for the White House rather than for him and the Wirst Lady.

Jared was the point-man for big-scale corruption; pardons for cash, big fees from the Saudis and so on went directly to him; Trump sanctioned this because of Jared's marriage to the Chosen One.

 

[ZiprHead]

The day before [purging princes disloyal to the murderous Crown Prince], CBS and The Intercept quoted MBS as gloating that Kushner was “in his pocket.”
...
Meanwhile, throughout his presidency, Donald Trump was having secret phone conversations with Russia’s President Putin (over 20 have been identified, including one just days before the 2020 election)
...
The manager of his 2016 campaign, Paul Manafort, who previously worked on behalf of Vladimir Putin, has recently admitted that he was regularly feeding inside campaign information to Russian intelligence.
...
There are, after all, credible assertions that when Trump was elected, members of Russian intelligence and Putin’s inner circle were literally partying in Moscow, explicitly celebrating a victory they truly believed they helped make happen.

In his first months in office, Trump outed an Israeli spy to the Russian Ambassador, resulting in MOSAD having to “burn” (relocate, change identity of) that spy. That, in turn, prompted the CIA to worry that a longtime US spy buried deep in the Kremlin was similarly vulnerable to Trump handing him over to Putin.
...
The CIA concluded that the risk Trump had burned the spy was so great that, at massive loss to US intelligence abilities that may have helped forestall the invasion of Ukraine, we pulled the spy out of Russia in 2017.

Similarly, when they met in Helsinki, Trump and Putin talked in private for several hours and Trump ordered his translators’ notes destroyed; there is also concern that much of their conversation was done out of the hearing of the US’s translator (Putin is also fluent in English and German)...

Dismal as all this is to read, it's mostly old news and will be ignored by almost every Republican.

What is especially exasperating is that Trump sold his country out for mere peanuts. Do not give the Trump crime family too much credit. Ivanka is just a spoiled rich girl who wants to party with Manhattan socialites like Chelsea Clinton. Her father would be a mediocre car salesman if he hadn't stolen fortunes from his siblings and nieces. Eric and Don Junior are too stupid to merit mention.

Don Senior is too much of a narcissist and blabbermouth to be entrusted with major geopolitical frauds. His appetite for grifting was sated by pettiness: by making Federal employees pay room and board at his resorts and by pilfering gifts intended for the White House rather than for him and the Wirst Lady.

Jared was the point-man for big-scale corruption; pardons for cash, big fees from the Saudis and so on went directly to him; Trump sanctioned this because of Jared's marriage to the Chosen One.

Nope. No colussion here.

BTW, can I get a link to the above article, please?

 

[Swammerdami]

BTW, can I get a link to the above article, please?

It's from SLD's OP:

What if Donald Trump's conspiracy was even bigger than we thought?

There was, it increasingly appears, a conspiracy involving some in the most senior levels of the Trump administration to end American representative democracy and replace it with a strongman oligarchy along the lines of Putin’s Russia or Orbán’s Hungary.This would be followed, after the January...

www.alternet.org

He very likely compromised intelligence assets to Putin. He likely was bribed by the Saudis. And Qatar. He was supported by many other Republicans, especially Rand Paul. He had every intention of destroying the Constitution and installing the Republican Party in power permanently and suppressing dissent. His second term is going to be interesting.

 

[Elixir]

“Deeper than thought”?
Nope.
Apparent from the outset, to those not enraptured by the Orangeman cult.

 

[ZiprHead]

BTW, can I get a link to the above article, please?

It's from SLD's OP:

What if Donald Trump's conspiracy was even bigger than we thought?

There was, it increasingly appears, a conspiracy involving some in the most senior levels of the Trump administration to end American representative democracy and replace it with a strongman oligarchy along the lines of Putin’s Russia or Orbán’s Hungary.This would be followed, after the January...

www.alternet.org

He very likely compromised intelligence assets to Putin. He likely was bribed by the Saudis. And Qatar. He was supported by many other Republicans, especially Rand Paul. He had every intention of destroying the Constitution and installing the Republican Party in power permanently and suppressing dissent. His second term is going to be interesting.

Ah, I did not realize that. Thanks.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Sorry, but alternet isn't a credible source. There's no screening for crap.

 

[SLD]

Sorry, but alternet isn't a credible source. There's no screening for crap.

It’s very liberal indeed. But the article admits it’s prejudice. It’s conjecture. But that doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

 

[RVonse]

Sorry, but alternet isn't a credible source. There's no screening for crap.

It’s very liberal indeed. But the article admits it’s prejudice. It’s conjecture. But that doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

If it were a conservative source you would have already beened shunned and rediculed by at least 20 posters by now.

That being said, I will defend your speech and right to peddle internet conspiracies. Because as you correctly point out, the probability of this particular conspiracy (although extremely low) is still more than zero. And as such deserves discussion as to why it is wrong.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Sorry, but alternet isn't a credible source. There's no screening for crap.

It’s very liberal indeed. But the article admits it’s prejudice. It’s conjecture. But that doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

If it were a conservative source you would have already beened shunned and rediculed by atleast 20 posters by now.

On the other hand, this thread had a total of 7 replies before you came in, and this didn't become an echo chamber. Pretty much implying we didn't take the article seriously. Also, the OP title was click bait, as it was providing factual, instead of theoretical as per the OP link's article title.

That being said, I will defend your speech and right to peddle internet conspiracies. Because as you correctly point out, the probability of this particular conspiracy (although extremely low) is still more than zero. And as such deserves discussion as to why it is wrong.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary backup... not extraordinary debunking. We already know there was a wide conspiracy among Trump and his supporters to attempt to overthrow the election. And once 12/18 passed, he switched to mob violence. And mind you, the term there is "conspiracy", not "conspiracy theory". We know that all of this happened.

 

[ZiprHead]

Sorry, but alternet isn't a credible source. There's no screening for crap.

It’s very liberal indeed. But the article admits it’s prejudice. It’s conjecture. But that doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

If it were a conservative source you would have already beened shunned and rediculed by atleast 20 posters by now.

On the other hand, this thread had a total of 7 replies before you came in, and this didn't become an echo chamber. Pretty much implying we didn't take the article seriously. Also, the OP title was click bait, as it was providing factual, instead of theoretical as per the OP link's article title.

That being said, I will defend your speech and right to peddle internet conspiracies. Because as you correctly point out, the probability of this particular conspiracy (although extremely low) is still more than zero. And as such deserves discussion as to why it is wrong.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary backup... not extraordinary debunking. We already know there was a wide conspiracy among Trump and his supporters to attempt to overthrow the election. And once 12/18 passed, he switched to mob violence. And mind you, the term there is "conspiracy", not "conspiracy theory". We know that all of this happened.

The article uses mainstream news articles with links to bolster the points it raises.

 

[Elixir]

Sorry, but alternet isn't a credible source. There's no screening for crap.

It’s very liberal indeed. But the article admits it’s prejudice. It’s conjecture. But that doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

If it were a conservative source you would have already beened shunned and rediculed by at least 20 posters by now.

That being said, I will defend your speech and right to peddle internet conspiracies. Because as you correctly point out, the probability of this particular conspiracy (although extremely low) is still more than zero. And as such deserves discussion as to why it is wrong.

So … tell us why it’s wrong, then.
You know, like any third grader can do to the conspiracy crap you post …

 

[RVonse]

Sorry, but alternet isn't a credible source. There's no screening for crap.

It’s very liberal indeed. But the article admits it’s prejudice. It’s conjecture. But that doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

If it were a conservative source you would have already beened shunned and rediculed by at least 20 posters by now.

That being said, I will defend your speech and right to peddle internet conspiracies. Because as you correctly point out, the probability of this particular conspiracy (although extremely low) is still more than zero. And as such deserves discussion as to why it is wrong.

So … tell us why it’s wrong, then.
You know, like any third grader can do to the conspiracy crap you post …

The average 3rd grader should be able to tell you...that after all the investigation and impeachment over his 4 year term, Trump was never indicted or successfully removed from office for anything Russia related. Demonstrating either Trump was either extraordinarily skillful at staying out of trouble or that the charges never had merit in the first place. I'm betting the average 3ed grader would go with charges never having merit. Although you might be able to show us how Trump was the genius you think he was masterminding this conspiracy theory.

 

[Swammerdami]

Sorry, but alternet isn't a credible source. There's no screening for crap.

As ZiprHead just wrote (though I noticed after I'd already clicked to reply) the excerpts I posted had several blue-colored links to more "reputable" news sources: cnn, guardian, etc.

I got those links "for free" because of the way copy-paste works here at IIDB. (This unexpected formatting often annoys me and I sometimes spend time to remove it from the pasted text. But I chose not to do that in this case! )

 

[Elixir]

after all the investigation and impeachment over his 4 year term, Trump was never indicted or successfully removed from office for anything Russia related

1) you forgot to debunk the “left wing conspiracy theory

2) IMMEDIATELY “after all the investigation and impeachment over his 4 year term, [during which] Trump was never indicted or successfully removed from office for anything Russia related”, he was removed from office by 81 million American voters. Coziness with the Russian despot was a definite factor.
Demonstrating either Trump was either extraordinarily skillful at losing elections and lying about it, or that he is extremely hapless at presenting any viable case for his presidency.
Did you forget that? Or are you STILL convinced that your boy is the actual president, actually running the Country, like so many of your RW extremist ilk?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Sorry, but alternet isn't a credible source. There's no screening for crap.

It’s very liberal indeed. But the article admits it’s prejudice. It’s conjecture. But that doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

Non-credible doesn't mean always wrong. It just means there's no reason to believe it.