Koyaanisqatsi
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Wasn't sure exactly how to do this, but this is a thread I started over at Secular Cafe (now archived here) that I thought some might find engaging: A New Conspiracy Theory.
It all essentially started with this still curiously little known article from the Guardian from December of 2016: Czechoslovakia Spied On Donald and Ivana Trump, Communist Era Files Show and centers around the impetus for Trump’s “activation” shall we say, which was the discovery of the Russian oil fields around 2012 that in turn led to the Exxon/BP/Rosneft deal that Obama effectively destroyed with the original set of sanctions imposed due to Putin’s incursion into the Ukraine (sanctions that are still in place and were reinforced unnecessarily by an almost unanimous Congress).
The motivation being, of course, the fact that those oil fields—once mined and processed—will mean that Russia surpasses Saudi Arabia/OPEC as the world’s largest oil distributor. Iow, Russia will be the new Saudi Arabia and all that that entails, which is a singularly distinct and powerful motivation for precisely this kind of grand scale chess move. It literally means that Russia—Putin—can (finally) achieve global conquest.
It’s a very deep dive (and tl;dr for most). How it can be continued itt, I’m not quite sure; perhaps by quoting sections others find of note either pro or con and we go from there? Regardless, I think there is a lot of evidence that supports the theory that Trump has—at the very least—been a targeted “Soviet” (the catch-all term I use to span the years and various iterations of Russian-controlled intelligence operations) asset since the eighties, if not earlier and more than likely a particular target for Putin once Putin took office in the early nineties.
There is also a lot of information that got discovered along the way as the thread evolved that I think may be of interest (such as Trump’s hundreds of Qatar-based shell companies and his/their ties to Rosneft/Russia). And, yes, because it was an ongoing, extemporaneous thread, there is a lot of speculation and stream-of-conscious musings the deeper the dive and likely a lot of dead-ends and/or missed beats, so to speak, but then that’s the nature of the beast.
Hopefully it will spur others to either hack the thickets down or see things missing at the time that are now revealed, etc., etc., etc.
ETA: Of further note is that the way by which we know of the StB spying on Trump and Ivana is through the discovery of a file on Ivana’s father. The almost certainly to exist files on Ivana and/or Trump directly have not been found, to the best of my knowledge and google abilities.
This is significant, imo, because it is the kind of oversight that I believe lends credence to the theory, as well as suggests that the main files on Trump and Ivana were of primary interest and logically forwarded by the StB to the KGB before the StB was officially shut down (which in turn corresponded perfectly with Putin’s rise and so he would have likely seen/reviewed such files personally).
It all essentially started with this still curiously little known article from the Guardian from December of 2016: Czechoslovakia Spied On Donald and Ivana Trump, Communist Era Files Show and centers around the impetus for Trump’s “activation” shall we say, which was the discovery of the Russian oil fields around 2012 that in turn led to the Exxon/BP/Rosneft deal that Obama effectively destroyed with the original set of sanctions imposed due to Putin’s incursion into the Ukraine (sanctions that are still in place and were reinforced unnecessarily by an almost unanimous Congress).
The motivation being, of course, the fact that those oil fields—once mined and processed—will mean that Russia surpasses Saudi Arabia/OPEC as the world’s largest oil distributor. Iow, Russia will be the new Saudi Arabia and all that that entails, which is a singularly distinct and powerful motivation for precisely this kind of grand scale chess move. It literally means that Russia—Putin—can (finally) achieve global conquest.
It’s a very deep dive (and tl;dr for most). How it can be continued itt, I’m not quite sure; perhaps by quoting sections others find of note either pro or con and we go from there? Regardless, I think there is a lot of evidence that supports the theory that Trump has—at the very least—been a targeted “Soviet” (the catch-all term I use to span the years and various iterations of Russian-controlled intelligence operations) asset since the eighties, if not earlier and more than likely a particular target for Putin once Putin took office in the early nineties.
There is also a lot of information that got discovered along the way as the thread evolved that I think may be of interest (such as Trump’s hundreds of Qatar-based shell companies and his/their ties to Rosneft/Russia). And, yes, because it was an ongoing, extemporaneous thread, there is a lot of speculation and stream-of-conscious musings the deeper the dive and likely a lot of dead-ends and/or missed beats, so to speak, but then that’s the nature of the beast.
Hopefully it will spur others to either hack the thickets down or see things missing at the time that are now revealed, etc., etc., etc.
ETA: Of further note is that the way by which we know of the StB spying on Trump and Ivana is through the discovery of a file on Ivana’s father. The almost certainly to exist files on Ivana and/or Trump directly have not been found, to the best of my knowledge and google abilities.
This is significant, imo, because it is the kind of oversight that I believe lends credence to the theory, as well as suggests that the main files on Trump and Ivana were of primary interest and logically forwarded by the StB to the KGB before the StB was officially shut down (which in turn corresponded perfectly with Putin’s rise and so he would have likely seen/reviewed such files personally).
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