U.S. now has highest rate of death during childbirth in the developed world

[phands]

Unbelievable...and yet again the rethuglicans' antipathy toward decent healthcare is to blame.....

A new USA Today study identifies the United States as now being the "most dangerous place to give birth in the developed world."

"Experts say that about 50 percent of the deaths of women from childbirth-related causes could be prevented if they were given better medical care and that's a really surprising thing given that we're one of the wealthiest countries in the world and we spend so much on medical care. We're not just talking about the women who die, we're talking about 50,000 U.S. women who are suffering life-altering harms," USA Today investigative reporter Alison Young told "CBS This Morning" on Thursday.​

USA Today pins much of the problem on indifference by regulators, including a "lack of action by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services." It also notes that it doesn't have to be this way: The Democratic stronghold of California has dramatically reduced deaths in childbirth even as those in much of the rest of the nation were rising. The most dangerous states for American women: Louisiana, Georgia, and Vice President Mike Pence's home state of Indiana. Arkansas, New Jersey, Missouri and Texas are next.
Among the biggest dangers to women in childbirth is high blood pressure, which must be treated "expeditiously" during labor, according to the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, and extreme blood loss. In practice, most American hospitals are not following recommendations, and experts USA Today spoke with repeatedly noted that there has long been an institutional tendency to claim dangerous incidents were a result of poor maternal health. As the California results show, that's not true.
The experts also noted one other difference between the American healthcare system and that of other nations: Those other nations have nationalized health care, greatly simplifying the roll out of discovered reforms.

Article is on Daily Kos.

 

[dismal]

Not like you to bash Obamacare like this. What happened to the steady stream of Trump derangement?

 

[Toni]

Not like you to bash Obamacare like this. What happened to the steady stream of Trump derangement?

Trump is still deranged and you still are fond of attempting to assert meanings in others posts that are opposite of what is actually there.

 

[phands]

Not like you to bash Obamacare like this. What happened to the steady stream of Trump derangement?

Once again, your Nickname is so apt. You had to stoop pretty low for that twisted nonsense, but you did correctly state that trumpo is deranged.

 

[dismal]

Not like you to bash Obamacare like this. What happened to the steady stream of Trump derangement?

Once again, your Nickname is so apt. You had to stoop pretty low for that twisted nonsense, but you did correctly state that trumpo is deranged.

Haha, it's almost as if you expect to be taken seriously after all the bilge you post.

But anyway, your article uses data from 2015. Im sure even your Trump derangement is not so severe as to make you believe Trump's Presidency caused things to happen in 2015. Well, somewhat sure.

 

[phands]

Not like you to bash Obamacare like this. What happened to the steady stream of Trump derangement?

Once again, your Nickname is so apt. You had to stoop pretty low for that twisted nonsense, but you did correctly state that trumpo is deranged.

Haha, it's almost as if you expect to be taken seriously after all the bilge you post.

But anyway, your article uses data from 2015. Im sure even your Trump derangement is not so severe as to make you believe Trump's Presidency caused things to happen in 2015. Well, somewhat sure.

The only one trying to conflate the tangerine terrorist with this seems to be you, as a digression attempt. A digression from the stark fact that rethuglicans stymied all attempts to improve healthcare for decades...they even screwed up the original ACA,

 

[untermensche]

Just because Trump is such a fuckup doesn't mean there aren't other problems.

The US health system is a disgrace.

And it is getting worse.

The bandaid called Obamacare couldn't fix it.

 

[braces_for_impact]

Aw...Trump Derangement. What a pathetic and transparent attempt at obfuscation.

 

[phands]

And it is getting worse.

The bandaid called Obamacare couldn't fix it.

It IS getting worse...I work in healthcare, and it beggars belief how bad it is in the US. But still....you have to remember that all the really bad crap in the ACA came about because of rethuglican sabotage then and now.

 

[untermensche]

The fix is to decimate the corporate insurance companies by offering Medicare for everyone.

There is no other fix.

Obamacare was a band-aide. Many more people had insurance but it didn't address any problem of the system beyond that. Prices to consumers were still skyrocketing. Plans were not that cheap and deductibles were high.

You wonder if the US will ever join the civilized world in anything?

 

[phands]

The fix is to decimate the corporate insurance companies by offering Medicare for everyone.

There is no other fix.

Obamacare was a band-aide. Many more people had insurance but it didn't address any problem of the system beyond that. Prices to consumers were still skyrocketing. Plans were not that cheap and deductibles were high.

You wonder if the US will ever join the civilized world in anything?

On this we agree. People don't need health insurance...they need health care. The UK NHS was fabulous until the conservaturds over there tried to work the insurance scam over there too.

 

[Copernicus]

Not like you to bash Obamacare like this. What happened to the steady stream of Trump derangement?

Dismal, you know perfectly well that this topic has nothing whatsoever to do with the ACA, which is only one piece of the Rube Goldberg machine that we think of as the American health care system. You appear to have no shame at our showing up as "Number One" in childbirth deaths among the world's developed nations, but most of us understandably do find that a shameful record. We have done this collectively to ourselves, because our health care system is an ineffective hodgepodge that trails behind the rest of the world. It isn't even just about the divide between liberals and conservatives anymore, because conservatives in other developed nations are not clamoring to adopt the US approach to health care. Even they understand the dimension of our failure, but somehow US conservatives have blinded themselves to it.

 

[dismal]

Not like you to bash Obamacare like this. What happened to the steady stream of Trump derangement?

Dismal, you know perfectly well that this topic has nothing whatsoever to do with the ACA, which is only one piece of the Rube Goldberg machine that we think of as the American health care system. You appear to have no shame at our showing up as "Number One" in childbirth deaths among the world's developed nations, but most of us understandably do find that a shameful record. We have done this collectively to ourselves, because our health care system is an ineffective hodgepodge that trails behind the rest of the world. It isn't even just about the divide between liberals and conservatives anymore, because conservatives in other developed nations are not clamoring to adopt the US approach to health care. Even they understand the dimension of our failure, but somehow US conservatives have blinded themselves to it.

When the ACA was passed and everyone here was talking about how awesome it was I was willing to make the following bet: American healthcare outcomes would not materially change. Unfortunately, they have gotten worse. This means the ACA is a colossal failure. When you spend more money and outcomes get worse that's serious failure.

 

[Jayjay]

I wonder if following would work:

My understanding is that ACA insurances musst cover pre-existing conditions. But can they demand that pre-existing conditions or risk factors are treated so that they don't get worse? My plan would be to mandate an insurance where everyone has the same premium, but it may go up if the person doesn't take the insurer provided free treatments and life style habits. So for example if you're a smoker, you don't get punished for past smoking, but you do for your current plan. If you quit, premiums go back to normal even if you already have cancer.

This would give health care insurers an incentive to keep the folks as healthy as possible, so that they don't have to pay fo more expensive treatments. The downside is that then insurance companies can start imposing all sorts of private and embarrassing medical procedures on you. But you could always switch to another provider who doesn't, or charges less for it.

Would this be feasible? Asks a completely clueless person who has no idea how healthcare, and indeed health works.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

The fix is to decimate the corporate insurance companies by offering Medicare for everyone.

There is no other fix.

Obamacare was a band-aide. Many more people had insurance but it didn't address any problem of the system beyond that. Prices to consumers were still skyrocketing. Plans were not that cheap and deductibles were high.

You wonder if the US will ever join the civilized world in anything?

This is all true.

 

[Copernicus]

Not like you to bash Obamacare like this. What happened to the steady stream of Trump derangement?

Dismal, you know perfectly well that this topic has nothing whatsoever to do with the ACA, which is only one piece of the Rube Goldberg machine that we think of as the American health care system. You appear to have no shame at our showing up as "Number One" in childbirth deaths among the world's developed nations, but most of us understandably do find that a shameful record. We have done this collectively to ourselves, because our health care system is an ineffective hodgepodge that trails behind the rest of the world. It isn't even just about the divide between liberals and conservatives anymore, because conservatives in other developed nations are not clamoring to adopt the US approach to health care. Even they understand the dimension of our failure, but somehow US conservatives have blinded themselves to it.

When the ACA was passed and everyone here was talking about how awesome it was I was willing to make the following bet: American healthcare outcomes would not materially change. Unfortunately, they have gotten worse. This means the ACA is a colossal failure. When you spend more money and outcomes get worse that's serious failure.

So let me just reiterate my point and explain to you very clearly why your comment was particularly odious: Dismal, you know perfectly well that this topic has nothing whatsoever to do with the ACA. You know this, because you did not bother to read the article that the the OP was based on. Instead, you made up a spurious claim that the problem had something to do with "Obamacare", i.e. the ACA. That program could not possibly have had an impact on he current topic before the ACA was passed into law and came into effect. So-called "Obamacare" began to come into effect in 2010, but it was not fully implemented until 2014. If you had bothered to read the USA study, you would see that the trend in question--the topic that phands opened this discussion with--began in 1990. Again, here is the source for this discussion:

U.S. "most dangerous" place to give birth in developed world, USA Today investigation finds

That CBS news report references this USA Today study: Hospitals know how to protect mothers. They just aren’t doing it.

That is the basis for this thread, whether you like it or not. You can disagree with the study, but you need to address the claims made in that study. They provide a chart that shows the trend beginning in 1990 and ramping up to the present--two decades before the ACA even began to take effect.

So stop trying to derail the thread discussion with a totally false and misleading claim. The ACA was about health care coverage for millions of Americans, not the rate of childbirth deaths in the US and other countries. Neither the ACA nor Donald Trump have anything to do with this discussion.