US Citizens do you now carry proof of citizenship with you?

[crazyfingers]

If you are a US citizen, has Trump's immigration actions caused you to carry proof of citizenship papers when inside the US?

 

[crazyfingers]

I do now carry photos of my passport and birth certificate with me when I am away from home.

 

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

It would be foolish to carry the original documents, as they can be simply seized by ICE, or you can lose them if mugged, or are involved in an accident. Notarized copies or simply photocopies would be the thing to carry.
But it is problematic that you should be forced to carry such because of illegal actions by "officials" of the US government.

 

[crazyfingers]

It would be foolish to carry the original documents, as they can be simply seized by ICE, or you can lose them if mugged, or are involved in an accident. Notarized copies or simply photocopies would be the thing to carry.
But it is problematic that you should be forced to carry such because of illegal actions by "officials" of the US government.

I agree about originals. That's why I carry photos of them. I realize that if stolen they could be used for identity theft but I feel safer carrying photos of my passport and birth certificate. I have miniature prints in my wallet and the photos on my phone. I would never willingly hand ICE gestapo my phone.

 

[TV and credit cards]

It would be foolish to carry the original documents, as they can be simply seized by ICE, or you can lose them if mugged, or are involved in an accident. Notarized copies or simply photocopies would be the thing to carry.
But it is problematic that you should be forced to carry such because of illegal actions by "officials" of the US government.

If you want to do this, certified by the issuing agency, e.g., birth certificate certified by the county office where you were born. A notarized doc is not valid in these circumstances.

It's good to keep photo copies if you ever have to fill out forms for replacement, to have the document number and any other relevant info on it. I suspect it makes it a lot easier for the agent especially if you have a common name.
I suppose I should tell my daughter to take a pic of her report of birth abroad. Never thought of the necessity until recently.

 

[ideologyhunter]

For international travel, I carry a fake Candian ID card. At the top it shows a beaver eating poutine. It says, "I'm Canadian, eh, not a USer." It's signed at the bottom by Anne Murray.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

"Documents" is a paranoid word to use. Anyone who can drive almost certainly has their driver's license with them and those that don't will almost always have an ID card. Also, cops can run a check on your number if you happen to not have your license with you. This has happened to me on a couple of occasions and I was let go without a warning.

The cops ask for your ID isn't oppressive, it's a universal and necessary thing. Also, you'll encounter private businesses asking you for ID a lot more than the police will.

 

[scombrid]

Not paranoid when the proud boys in the black truck grab you.

 

[southernhybrid]

I always have my driver's license with me, which is one with the star on it, which is proof that I am a citizen. About 10 or so years ago, Georgia required everyone to provide birth certificates or some other document as proof of citizenship in order to renew their drive's license. I think I had to do the same thing to renew my nursing license, now that I think of it, so this is nothing new here.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

"Documents" is a paranoid word to use. Anyone who can drive almost certainly has their driver's license with them and those that don't will almost always have an ID card. Also, cops can run a check on your number if you happen to not have your license with you. This has happened to me on a couple of occasions and I was let go without a warning.

The cops ask for your ID isn't oppressive, it's a universal and necessary thing. Also, you'll encounter private businesses asking you for ID a lot more than the police will.

I've never had an officer ask for my ID without a reason.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

Not paranoid when the proud boys in the black truck grab you.

Yes, that is quite paranoid.

Accurately identifying and characterizing a problem is productive. Being exaggerative and hyperbolic is not.

 

[scombrid]

It’s hyperbole? So the news reporting such is fake?

 

[Elixir]

The cops ask for your ID isn't oppressive, it's a universal and necessary thing. Also, you'll encounter private businesses asking you for ID a lot more than the police will.

I've never had an officer ask for my ID without a reason.

I've never asked a cop for their ID and had them refuse to identify themselves. I have not been in a lot of adversarial situations with LE though. I'm not the person they're usually going to target if they're out trolling for someone to arrest, abduct, beat up or whatever.

It’s hyperbole? So the news reporting such is fake?

GOOD QUESTION

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Not paranoid when the proud boys in the black truck grab you.

Yes, that is quite paranoid.

Accurately identifying and characterizing a problem is productive. Being exaggerative and hyperbolic is not.

There are a number of things happening right now. The legality and morality of these different actions are all bleeding into each other.

Firstly, undocumented people are being rounded up. This is up to the Executive Branch.
Secondly, documented people are having their documents canceled and are being rounded up. This is up to the Executive Branch, but it is a dick move! Especially when saying you are just removing the bad guys.
Thirdly, documented people are being caught up and if not for the Courts, removed from the country. This is flat out illegal.
Fourthly, it seems like ICE is getting off on all of this. Enforcing law is one thing, being a bunch of assholes while doing it and not showing any empathy is not helping. This is just a decorum thing.
Fifthly, the Trump Admin is lying about targeting the bad guys. They are targeting whomever they find. They should be honest about that. This is simply deluded wishful thinking on my part.
Sixthly, the damn fascist masks on ICE agents.

 

[TSwizzle]

It’s hyperbole? So the news reporting such is fake?

Much of the news reporting is sensationalized beyond recognition and what goes on in this forum is just male bovine excrement.


And no, I don't carry proof of citizenship.

 

[Elixir]

"Documents" is a paranoid word to use. Anyone who can drive almost certainly has their driver's license with them and those that don't will almost always have an ID card. Also, cops can run a check on your number if you happen to not have your license with you. This has happened to me on a couple of occasions and I was let go without a warning.

The cops ask for your ID isn't oppressive, it's a universal and necessary thing. Also, you'll encounter private businesses asking you for ID a lot more than the police will.

I wonder... I had to send front and back photos of my DL for something, maybe registering for ID.me or similar. I noticed that I still had the pics on my phone. What if I'm stopped and show the cop the pictures, having left my wallet at home? (it happens!)

 

[Elixir]

Much of the news reporting is sensationalized beyond recognition and what goes on in this forum is just male bovine excrement.

We can take your word for that, certainly, as well acquainted with facts as you have proven yourself to be.

 

[scombrid]

I’m not in the targeted demographic. But there are plenty of non-hyperbolic stories demonstrating illegal detention and processing of the target demographic. People have been grabbed and detained without cause. That is real and wrong.

 

[TSwizzle]

I’m not in the targeted demographic. But there are plenty of non-hyperbolic stories demonstrating illegal detention and processing of the target demographic.

Do you have an example?

People have been grabbed and detained without cause. That is real and wrong.

Hmmm, I don't think so. ICE raids are pretty much targeted at places where it is known that undocumented people are going to be, e.g. hanging around Home Depot or ICE gets tips about undocumented workers at a car wash, factory etc.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

People have been grabbed and detained without cause. That is real and wrong.

Hmmm, I don't think so. ICE raids are pretty much targeted at places where it is known that undocumented people are going to be, e.g. hanging around Home Depot or ICE gets tips about undocumented workers at a car wash, factory etc.

Conventional ICE raids are occurring at places where undocumented folks are.

Concurrently, unconventional ICE arrests in the street often by masked and sometimes not even identifiable ICE agents. According CATO, 1 in 5 are being arrested with Latinos with no criminal past or removal order.

The key takeaway is that ICE is arresting thousands of people in random locations—what it calls “non-specific” or “general” areas—who had no prior contact with law enforcement: the telltale sign of illegal profiling. Normally, ICE makes arrests only after the suspect has been identified in some other way. For instance, they were arrested by local police and their name was checked against the government data, or they were going to an appointment related to their status, so ICE knew they would be there. But in these cases, ICE is arresting people who weren’t going to appointments or committing criminal offenses that would put them on ICE’s radar, as well as people who had not been ordered removed from the country, giving ICE a reason to seek them out.

If there is no removal order, and they have no criminal past, the only reason for ICE to arrest them is profiling. When Profiling was dropped in LA, arrests plummeted, meaning profiling was the primary method for arrest.