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CDC won't publish report showing covid shots cut likelihood of hospital visits


CDC won't publish report showing covid shots cut likelihood of hospital visits

The report, which had cleared the agency's scientific-review process, had been delayed. It now won't be published at all, people familiar with the decision told The Post.

A report showing the efficacy of the covid-19 vaccine that was previously delayed by the head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been blocked from being published in the agency's flagship scientific journal, according to three people familiar with the decision who spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of retaliation. The report showed that the vaccine reduced emergency department visits and hospitalizations among healthy adults by about half this past winter.
How can they figure that out? Wouldn't they have to compare the people who got vaccinated (including the number of jabs) to the people who didn't, and then see if the unvaccinated ended up in the hospital more often than the vaccinated? Even then, how are the variables controlled for other contributing cofactors? It seems like a flimsy study, which is why they wouldn't publish it.
Which is what they have done. Note the population distribution of vaccination, note the distribution of whether patients are vaccinated. Of course the woo purveyors will just blame the vaccine for what Covid does to you.
 
To state it simply, peacegirl.

Your post implies that vaccines cause blood clots.

The research shows that COVID causes blood clots. Vaccines help to PREVENT COVID.

So the opposite is true, but you haven't acknowledged Don2's post.
They discussed this. This hearing was eye-opening. All they were asking was for the studies that proved the COVID-19 vaccines were safe, which the other side couldn't provide.

This article supports the COVID vaccine to be used because the risks outweigh the benefits, but clearly states that blood clots can be caused by the vaccine in some people.

It's the same problem at always: You are demanding absolute perfection from vaccines rather than comparing them to the alternative.
I am trying to figure it all out. Am I supposed to accept every single jab on the market, or risk dying? I mean, come on, Loren, this doesn't seem right for anyone who has a healthy immune system that can attack invaders.
And it's totally preposterous that 2 + 2 = 4.

And, yes, you should accept any jab unless you're allergic to it, or it's attenuated and you're immune compromised. The reality is by the time they end up on the recommended vaccine list the numbers are extremely in favor of doing it. Anything that wasn't would be recommended for high risk groups, not everyone. (For example, mpox.)
 

It's always going to be about something else. That's the way conspiracy theories work. They'll claim it's part of alien technology. You debunk it. Then they claim abortions are in the vaccines. You debunk that. Then, they claim nanobots are in the vaccines. You debunk that. Then they claim they cause 74% of blood clot deaths. Then you debunk that. They have an agenda which is why they will always be making up stuff. It won't stop. To just ignore the pattern is not being open-minded to both sides. It's being afraid of letting go of faith in their cult.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.
I agree that anyone concerned about vaccines may give false testimony about things that don't exist, but that doesn't mean there aren't concerns that DO exist. You cannot disagree with all just because you disagree with one.
It's not about just one being false. Rather, it's about the torrent of things proven false. When they trot out 100 pieces of shit why do you think the 101st isn't also shit?
I haven't really studied all the shit that you say they put out, so I can't respond to this. If I were put in a position where I needed a vaccine, I would have to do much more research to see which studies are valid and which ones aren't. This topic is making my head spin. :)
To actually figure out what's valid is a job for experts, none of us are remotely qualified. There are three things you can do, however:

1) Look at what other experts are saying. When garbage is produced it's likely to be called out--specific flaws will be pointed out.

2) Look at the scenario they are claiming. For example, that atrocious myocarditis study the infection risk was considered over three months. Like it was somehow going to magically go away??? (And they had a decimal point error, but that's much harder to spot.)

3) If a bunch of studies saying X have been debunked then your initial assumption should be that any other study saying X is likewise garbage. The purveyors of garbage try to flood the market.
 

Yes it has. Trump and the Republicans have always wanted to destroy social programs. Under Trump, research is being destroyed and replaced with quackery. He just wants the cash money for his authoritarianism and Big Ballroom.
I think his Big Ballroom is quite extravagant considering the state of our union, but it is money out of his pocket, right? It just looks flamboyant when so many people are suffering economically.
You really think it's not the taxpayers paying for it?!?!
Vaccines are still available for those who want them. Nothing is being taken away. My only concern is having real choice, not appearances.

He has replaced the panel of experts and called them woke. So it hasn't happened yet. The panel will change whether or not it is required for certain insurance to cover certain things. Meanwhile, the rich fat cats make bigger cash money and the sick and poor won't be able to afford prescriptions/needed things of "choice" out of their own pockets.
I don't get the feeling that this is about fat cats trying to exploit anyone. I think RFK Jr. is trying to do the right thing for his constituents.
You not getting a feeling proves nothing.

He is trying to do the "right" thing for the woo industry. He's trying to destroy anything that actually works.
I don't believe that he is looking to support woo. I see him as someone who is trying to make our country healthy, and part of that concern is the safety and efficacy of vaccines. He's not an ogre as he's being portrayed. You may not agree with him, but to accuse him of having underhanded motives is going too far.
We've already seen the CDC "temporarily" pause testing for many diseases. It's been a while, no news. No reason to think there's anything temporary about it.

Admittedly, some of it isn't going to matter. CDC rabies tests rarely save anyone. But rarely is not never. (A positive rabies test does nothing for the patient, but there are situations where it's a red alert to see if others could have been infected.)
I thought there was medical help available after a person got rabies. Wow!
This tracks with how major insurance companies have previously responded to recent vaccine policy changes under Trump. Multiple insurance companies and industry associations told PolitiFact these insurers will continue to cover the same vaccines they covered before.


The bigger policy changes haven't happened yet. Didn't you read the article that panel change is __coming__?
Yes, I know.

"Broader" as in total quacks.
Instead of "broader", how about "without bias"? Obviously, there is bias on both sides.
Specialists in recovery from vaccine injury--except no such domain exists. 100% woo. So this permits the appointment of quacks.
I'm not sure what "specialists in recovery" means. Would the vaccine-injured become the specialists on his appointed panel?
 

Yes it has. Trump and the Republicans have always wanted to destroy social programs. Under Trump, research is being destroyed and replaced with quackery. He just wants the cash money for his authoritarianism and Big Ballroom.
I think his Big Ballroom is quite extravagant considering the state of our union, but it is money out of his pocket, right? It just looks flamboyant when so many people are suffering economically.
You really think it's not the taxpayers paying for it?!?!

(1) Trump has said before someone else will pay for something but lied.
(2) Trump said they wouldn't tear anything down but did. Lied again.
(3) Trump said it would be $200M. He lied or was wrong. Later he said $400M. You should expect that to go up again.
(4) Trump says he is paying for some of it. Where will he get the money? From us. He is suing us for $10B.
(5) One-time construction isn't the only cost: consider sustainability, i.e. maintenance, security, staff, utilities, extra dinners and dances with Kim Jong Un and Putin just because it's there, in perpetuity.
 
Now the dumb dumbs are going to stop vaccinating the military against the flu. That in spite of many years of study demonstrating that the flu vaccine is very effective at reducing costs and improving readiness by keeping entire units from getting sick at the same time. To quote Dark Helmet, I’m surrounded by assholes.
 

Yes it has. Trump and the Republicans have always wanted to destroy social programs. Under Trump, research is being destroyed and replaced with quackery. He just wants the cash money for his authoritarianism and Big Ballroom.
I think his Big Ballroom is quite extravagant considering the state of our union, but it is money out of his pocket, right? It just looks flamboyant when so many people are suffering economically.
You really think it's not the taxpayers paying for it?!?!

(1) Trump has said before someone else will pay for something but lied.
(2) Trump said they wouldn't tear anything down but did. Lied again.
(3) Trump said it would be $200M. He lied or was wrong. Later he said $400M. You should expect that to go up again.
(4) Trump says he is paying for some of it. Where will he get the money? From us. He is suing us for $10B.
(5) One-time construction isn't the only cost: consider sustainability, i.e. maintenance, security, staff, utilities, extra dinners and dances with Kim Jong Un and Putin just because it's there, in perpetuity.
I don't think he really cares whether it is built or not. It's all just another grift, a means to collect bribes from "donors" who have business before the government.
 

Yes it has. Trump and the Republicans have always wanted to destroy social programs. Under Trump, research is being destroyed and replaced with quackery. He just wants the cash money for his authoritarianism and Big Ballroom.
I think his Big Ballroom is quite extravagant considering the state of our union, but it is money out of his pocket, right? It just looks flamboyant when so many people are suffering economically.
You really think it's not the taxpayers paying for it?!?!

(1) Trump has said before someone else will pay for something but lied.
(2) Trump said they wouldn't tear anything down but did. Lied again.
(3) Trump said it would be $200M. He lied or was wrong. Later he said $400M. You should expect that to go up again.
(4) Trump says he is paying for some of it. Where will he get the money? From us. He is suing us for $10B.
(5) One-time construction isn't the only cost: consider sustainability, i.e. maintenance, security, staff, utilities, extra dinners and dances with Kim Jong Un and Putin just because it's there, in perpetuity.
I don't understand his motives, but that's beside the point. To expect the public to pay for his entertainment in tax dollars is crazy.
 
Now the dumb dumbs are going to stop vaccinating the military against the flu. That in spite of many years of study demonstrating that the flu vaccine is very effective at reducing costs and improving readiness by keeping entire units from getting sick at the same time. To quote Dark Helmet, I’m surrounded by assholes.
It's like the flu pandemic of 1918 never happened
 

(1) Trump has said before someone else will pay for something but lied.
(2) Trump said they wouldn't tear anything down but did. Lied again.
(3) Trump said it would be $200M. He lied or was wrong. Later he said $400M. You should expect that to go up again.
(4) Trump says he is paying for some of it. Where will he get the money? From us. He is suing us for $10B.
(5) One-time construction isn't the only cost: consider sustainability, i.e. maintenance, security, staff, utilities, extra dinners and dances with Kim Jong Un and Putin just because it's there, in perpetuity.
I don't understand his motives, but that's beside the point. To expect the public to pay for his entertainment in tax dollars is crazy.
You don't want to understand his motives because that would mean realizing how totally you have been duped.

Those "donors" want favorable actions from the government. He's made it clear you can get that by bribing him.
 

Yes it has. Trump and the Republicans have always wanted to destroy social programs. Under Trump, research is being destroyed and replaced with quackery. He just wants the cash money for his authoritarianism and Big Ballroom.
I think his Big Ballroom is quite extravagant considering the state of our union, but it is money out of his pocket, right? It just looks flamboyant when so many people are suffering economically.
You really think it's not the taxpayers paying for it?!?!
So? They're not doing this for no reason. They'll get it back.

Vaccines are still available for those who want them. Nothing is being taken away. My only concern is having real choice, not appearances.

He has replaced the panel of experts and called them woke. So it hasn't happened yet. The panel will change whether or not it is required for certain insurance to cover certain things. Meanwhile, the rich fat cats make bigger cash money and the sick and poor won't be able to afford prescriptions/needed things of "choice" out of their own pockets.
I don't get the feeling that this is about fat cats trying to exploit anyone. I think RFK Jr. is trying to do the right thing for his constituents.
You not getting a feeling proves nothing.

He is trying to do the "right" thing for the woo industry. He's trying to destroy anything that actually works.
I don't believe that he is looking to support woo. I see him as someone who is trying to make our country healthy, and part of that concern is the safety and efficacy of vaccines. He's not an ogre as he's being portrayed. You may not agree with him, but to accuse him of having underhanded motives is going too far.
He doesn't believe in the germ theory of disease, why guard against an enemy that does not exist?

150 million saved say otherwise: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)00850-X/fulltext

We've already seen the CDC "temporarily" pause testing for many diseases. It's been a while, no news. No reason to think there's anything temporary about it.

Admittedly, some of it isn't going to matter. CDC rabies tests rarely save anyone. But rarely is not never. (A positive rabies test does nothing for the patient, but there are situations where it's a red alert to see if others could have been infected.)
I thought there was medical help available after a person got rabies. Wow!
There is medical help after suspected or confirmed rabies exposure. But there's no test that shows if you were infected. If you're exposed you get the vaccine and perhaps other stuff depending on how far from the brain the infection point is. If the immune system isn't ready to pounce immediately when it emerges from hiding it's too late. There's been one sort-of survivor, much of her mind was gone. It's been tried several other times and not worked.

That's why they often kill the animal that bit you--the only definitive test is examining the tissue for the rabies virus. For some species there are established timelines between a bite being infectious and showing symptoms--for those species if that delay period would be acceptable they wait (rabies treatment is expensive and unpleasant) and see. Anything else, put it down and test it. Animal not recovered, proceed as if it was infected. First world rabies deaths are generally from people who don't realize they were bit. One comes to mind--he was aware of the bat but thought it had simply flew into him.
This tracks with how major insurance companies have previously responded to recent vaccine policy changes under Trump. Multiple insurance companies and industry associations told PolitiFact these insurers will continue to cover the same vaccines they covered before.


The bigger policy changes haven't happened yet. Didn't you read the article that panel change is __coming__?
Yes, I know.

"Broader" as in total quacks.
Instead of "broader", how about "without bias"? Obviously, there is bias on both sides.
He's not looking for unbiased people. He's not unbiased, either.
Specialists in recovery from vaccine injury--except no such domain exists. 100% woo. So this permits the appointment of quacks.
I'm not sure what "specialists in recovery" means. Would the vaccine-injured become the specialists on his appointed panel?
You're parsing it wrong but that doesn't change the fact that there is no such field.
 
The way AI brings history to life is quite riveting. This video shows the devastation of the flu and its complications in the year 1918.

 
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He doesn't believe in the germ theory of disease, why guard against an enemy that does not exist?
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I wasn't aware of this, what a moron!


In a Congressional hearing on Wednesday, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) directly confronted anti-vaccine Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on his rejection of germ theory—the unquestionable scientific idea that specific pathogenic microbes cause specific diseases. After Kennedy defended his fringe view, Senator Bill Cassidy fact-checked and debunked Kennedy’s denialist arguments in real time.

The exchanges mark a rare instance in which Kennedy’s dismissal of germ theory has been raised in such a high-profile public setting, in this case, a hearing of the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions. Kennedy, who has no background in science, medicine, or public health, is well known as an ardent anti-vaccine activist and peddler of conspiracy theories. But his startling rejection of a cornerstone theory in biomedical science has mostly been underreported.


-->This is so insane it should be shouted from rooftops!

As Ars Technica reported last year, Kennedy wrote about his germ theory denialism explicitly in his 2021 book The Real Anthony Fauci. In it, Kennedy maligns germ theory as a tool of pharmaceutical companies, scientists, and doctors to promote the use of modern medicines. Instead of accepting germ theory, Kennedy promotes a concept akin to the discarded terrain theory, in which diseases stem not from germs, but from imbalances in the body’s inner “terrain.” Those imbalances are claimed to be caused by poor nutrition and exposure to environmental toxins and stressors. (In his book, Kennedy erroneously labels this as “miasma theory,” but that is a different theory that suggests diseases derive from breathing bad air, vapors, or mists from decaying or corrupting matter. The idea was supplanted by germ theory, while terrain theory was never widely accepted.)

-->What a lunatic!

Kennedy’s embrace of terrain theory over germ theory is foundational to the priorities of his Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) movement, which promotes notions of healthy diets and lifestyles and clean living. As health secretary, Kennedy has focused on revamping federal dietary guidance, focusing on whole foods (and concerning amounts of saturated fat) while vilifying artificial ingredients and additives. He has regularly posted videos of himself working out on social media. And, with his previous career as an environmental lawyer, he has a long history of fighting against environmental contamination. Kennedy and his MAHA movement have strongly lobbied against chemical pollutants and pesticides, particularly glyphosate (though Kennedy notably shifted on this issue recently, and now supports increasing production of the weed killer, in line with Trump’s policies).

--> Of course. This guy isn't even an ethical lunatic. He has given to the corruption.
 
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