Victory! HRC clinches the nomination!

[PyramidHead]

I have a question to the Bernie or Bush Believers: if Bernie were ahead right now in popular votes and delegates, would you protest if HRC refused to endorse Bernie unless she adopted his views, demanded concessions, demanded that certain DNC leaders were fired, and etc.?

Bernie supporter here. No, I wouldn't really care if Clinton endorsed him, because if Bernie were to win the nomination it probably wouldn't be because he had the support of the Democratic establishment. Bernie Sanders doesn't need Clinton's supporters to beat Donald Trump in that scenario anyway, based on every poll I've seen.

 

[Harry Bosch]

I have a question to the Bernie or Bush Believers: if Bernie were ahead right now in popular votes and delegates, would you protest if HRC refused to endorse Bernie unless she adopted his views, demanded concessions, demanded that certain DNC leaders were fired, and etc.?

Bernie supporter here. No, I wouldn't really care if Clinton endorsed him, because if Bernie were to win the nomination it probably wouldn't be because he had the support of the Democratic establishment. Bernie Sanders doesn't need Clinton's supporters to beat Donald Trump in that scenario anyway, based on every poll I've seen.

As a Bernie supporter, is it your hope that the super delegates change their vote to Bernie and ignore the majority democratic vote? Secondly, is it your position that hypothetical polls are more important than actual votes?

 

[PyramidHead]

Bernie supporter here. No, I wouldn't really care if Clinton endorsed him, because if Bernie were to win the nomination it probably wouldn't be because he had the support of the Democratic establishment. Bernie Sanders doesn't need Clinton's supporters to beat Donald Trump in that scenario anyway, based on every poll I've seen.

As a Bernie supporter, is it your hope that the super delegates change their vote to Bernie and ignore the majority democratic vote? Secondly, is it your position that hypothetical polls are more important than actual votes?

I don't want the superdelegates to go against the will of the people, and unless Clinton gets indicted (which is pretty unlikely) she should be the nominee. I'm just saying that if things were different and Sanders had more votes, he wouldn't necessarily need Clinton to rally behind him in order to beat Trump. As it stands now, it looks like Clinton doesn't really need Sanders' support either, which we can hopefully all agree is a blessing.

 

[Rhea]

I don't want the superdelegates to go against the will of the people, and unless Clinton gets indicted (which is pretty unlikely) she should be the nominee. I'm just saying that if things were different and Sanders had more votes, he wouldn't necessarily need Clinton to rally behind him in order to beat Trump. As it stands now, it looks like Clinton doesn't really need Sanders' support either, which we can hopefully all agree is a blessing.

I'm surprised you would claim that. Sanders himself seems to disagree. Since he did not run as an independent because he didn't think he could win that way....

 

[Tom Sawyer]

As a Bernie supporter, is it your hope that the super delegates change their vote to Bernie and ignore the majority democratic vote? Secondly, is it your position that hypothetical polls are more important than actual votes?

I don't want the superdelegates to go against the will of the people, and unless Clinton gets indicted (which is pretty unlikely) she should be the nominee. I'm just saying that if things were different and Sanders had more votes, he wouldn't necessarily need Clinton to rally behind him in order to beat Trump. As it stands now, it looks like Clinton doesn't really need Sanders' support either, which we can hopefully all agree is a blessing.

Ya, neither of them need each other to win the presidency, but they both need each other to win the House and Senate. Without that, it doesn't particularly matter if they're in the Oval Office because the majority of their agenda would get blocked anyways. A Sanders' presidency and a GOP congress wouldn't really do shit all for a progressive agenda and the same is true for a Clinton presidency.

If Sanders cares about the issues and not himself, he needs to work on the down ticket races and that seems to be what he's doing.

 

[PyramidHead]

I don't want the superdelegates to go against the will of the people, and unless Clinton gets indicted (which is pretty unlikely) she should be the nominee. I'm just saying that if things were different and Sanders had more votes, he wouldn't necessarily need Clinton to rally behind him in order to beat Trump. As it stands now, it looks like Clinton doesn't really need Sanders' support either, which we can hopefully all agree is a blessing.

I'm surprised you would claim that. Sanders himself seems to disagree. Since he did not run as an independent because he didn't think he could win that way....

Who knows what would have happened if he had run as an independent from the start? Personally, I'm glad he didn't, as even the possibility of Trump getting elected due to a split in the left is a nightmare scenario, but then again, if any candidate could go up against a split electorate on the opposing side and still lose, it's probably Trump.

 

[PyramidHead]

I don't want the superdelegates to go against the will of the people, and unless Clinton gets indicted (which is pretty unlikely) she should be the nominee. I'm just saying that if things were different and Sanders had more votes, he wouldn't necessarily need Clinton to rally behind him in order to beat Trump. As it stands now, it looks like Clinton doesn't really need Sanders' support either, which we can hopefully all agree is a blessing.

Ya, neither of them need each other to win the presidency, but they both need each other to win the House and Senate. Without that, it doesn't particularly matter if they're in the Oval Office because the majority of their agenda would get blocked anyways. A Sanders' presidency and a GOP congress wouldn't really do shit all for a progressive agenda and the same is true for a Clinton presidency.

If Sanders cares about the issues and not himself, he needs to work on the down ticket races and that seems to be what he's doing.

Right. But they can rally behind down-ticket races without endorsing each other, if that makes sense, in reference to Harry Bosch's original question. Sanders could tour the country and give stump speeches for every progressive candidate from now until November without mentioning Clinton once, and she'd still get the benefit of having a receptive Congress.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Right. But they can rally behind down-ticket races without endorsing each other, if that makes sense, in reference to Harry Bosch's original question. Sanders could tour the country and give stump speeches for every progressive candidate from now until November without mentioning Clinton once, and she'd still get the benefit of having a receptive Congress.

But that would just put him in the same position that the GOP finds itself in as regards keeping a distance from Trump. Very few people bother to come out just for the down ticket races. Given that (IIRC) every progressive candidate that Sanders endorsed against an establishment candidate in the primaries lost the primary to that establishment candidate, he doesn't seem to do an effective job of getting people out to the polls with a "Vote for X" message. If he can't rally his supporters behind Clinton, the most likely scenario is that those supporters are just going to stay home Sanders won't have any pull at all.

 

[Harry Bosch]

As a Bernie supporter, is it your hope that the super delegates change their vote to Bernie and ignore the majority democratic vote? Secondly, is it your position that hypothetical polls are more important than actual votes?

I don't want the superdelegates to go against the will of the people, and unless Clinton gets indicted (which is pretty unlikely) she should be the nominee. I'm just saying that if things were different and Sanders had more votes, he wouldn't necessarily need Clinton to rally behind him in order to beat Trump. As it stands now, it looks like Clinton doesn't really need Sanders' support either, which we can hopefully all agree is a blessing.

Bernie has been seeking to have the super delegates go against the will of the voters. I still think that it will be a close race. Trump had a terrible two weeks. Awful. Gaffe after Gaffe. At some point he's going to clean that up. The republicans will tighten rank, and the race will be closer. As it is now, Trump was awful, HRC has a 6 point lead. I do believe that if Hillary can unite the democrats and pull some moderates, she will win. Most of the dems are united in this. Warren has been awesome. Bernie is on sidelines, slowly losing the influence that he has built over the past year. And that's why has no shot at VP anymore.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

I don't want the superdelegates to go against the will of the people, and unless Clinton gets indicted (which is pretty unlikely) she should be the nominee. I'm just saying that if things were different and Sanders had more votes, he wouldn't necessarily need Clinton to rally behind him in order to beat Trump. As it stands now, it looks like Clinton doesn't really need Sanders' support either, which we can hopefully all agree is a blessing.

Bernie has been seeking to have the super delegates go against the will of the voters. I still think that it will be a close race. Trump had a terrible two weeks. Awful. Gaffe after Gaffe. At some point he's going to clean that up. The republicans will tighten rank, and the race will be closer. As it is now, Trump was awful, HRC has a 6 point lead. I do believe that if Hillary can unite the democrats and pull some moderates, she will win. Most of the dems are united in this. Warren has been awesome. Bernie is on sidelines, slowly losing the influence that he has built over the past year. And that's why has no shot at VP anymore.

He's pouting. He went from a longshot to someone who influenced the course of the election. But I think he actually believed that he was going to win and now that that isn't going to happen, he's actually turned into Larry David's impression of him.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Bernie has been seeking to have the super delegates go against the will of the voters. I still think that it will be a close race. Trump had a terrible two weeks. Awful. Gaffe after Gaffe. At some point he's going to clean that up. The republicans will tighten rank, and the race will be closer. As it is now, Trump was awful, HRC has a 6 point lead. I do believe that if Hillary can unite the democrats and pull some moderates, she will win. Most of the dems are united in this. Warren has been awesome. Bernie is on sidelines, slowly losing the influence that he has built over the past year. And that's why has no shot at VP anymore.

He's pouting. He went from a longshot to someone who influenced the course of the election. But I think he actually believed that he was going to win and now that that isn't going to happen, he's actually turned into Larry David's impression of him.

No one's pouting. Bernie was asked not to rock the boat and now he isn't.