Violent riots underway in Kenosha, WI

[TSwizzle]

"Moatly peaceful", while the city is burning in the background.

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And people wonder why mainstream media is not trusted ...

Is that a genuine capture ?

 

[Arctish]

What do you think Black Lives Matter means? What sentiment do you think the people who say that phrase are expressing?

LMAO.

What do you think “defund the police, all cops are bad” means ? What sentiment do you think the people who say that phrase are expressing?

Are you unable to say what the phrase Black Lives Matter means and what the people who say it are expressing, or simply unwilling?

 

[TSwizzle]

What do you think Black Lives Matter means? What sentiment do you think the people who say that phrase are expressing?

LMAO.

What do you think “defund the police, all cops are bad” means ? What sentiment do you think the people who say that phrase are expressing?

Are you unable to say what the phrase Black Lives Matter means and what the people who say it are expressing, or simply unwilling?

Take a hint fella, jog on.

 

[Trausti]

What do you think Black Lives Matter means? What sentiment do you think the people who say that phrase are expressing?

LMAO.

What do you think “defund the police, all cops are bad” means ? What sentiment do you think the people who say that phrase are expressing?

Are you unable to say what the phrase Black Lives Matter means and what the people who say it are expressing, or simply unwilling?

Now do All Lives Matter.

 

[Arctish]

Are you unable to say what the phrase Black Lives Matter means and what the people who say it are expressing, or simply unwilling?

Take a hint fella, jog on.

I get the hint.

You don't intend to have an honest discussion about the Black Lives Matter movement. You'd rather go on bullshitting.

 

[Arctish]

Are you unable to say what the phrase Black Lives Matter means and what the people who say it are expressing, or simply unwilling?

Now do All Lives Matter.

Are you asking TSwizzle?

If he's like Mike Pence and Loren, he'll say All Lives Matter but absolutely refuse to acknowledge that Black Lives Matter, even though it's impossible for all lives to matter if black lives don't.

Do Black Lives Matter, Trausti?

 

[Trausti]

Are you unable to say what the phrase Black Lives Matter means and what the people who say it are expressing, or simply unwilling?

Now do All Lives Matter.

Are you asking TSwizzle?

If he's like Mike Pence and Loren, he'll say All Lives Matter but absolutely refuse to acknowledge that Black Lives Matter, even though it's impossible for all lives to matter if black lives don't.

Do Black Lives Matter, Trausti?

All lives matter. Let’s stop with the Marxist group identity garbage.

 

[ZiprHead]

Are you asking TSwizzle?

If he's like Mike Pence and Loren, he'll say All Lives Matter but absolutely refuse to acknowledge that Black Lives Matter, even though it's impossible for all lives to matter if black lives don't.

Do Black Lives Matter, Trausti?

All lives matter. Let’s stop with the Marxist group identity garbage.

Funny that no one ever says all lives matter after hearing "Blue Lives Matter".

 

[Trausti]

Are you asking TSwizzle?

If he's like Mike Pence and Loren, he'll say All Lives Matter but absolutely refuse to acknowledge that Black Lives Matter, even though it's impossible for all lives to matter if black lives don't.

Do Black Lives Matter, Trausti?

All lives matter. Let’s stop with the Marxist group identity garbage.

Funny that no one ever says all lives matter after hearing "Blue Lives Matter".

Because Blue Lives Matter does not refer to race. Are you somehow unaware that there are police officers of all colors?

 

[ZiprHead]

Funny that no one ever says all lives matter after hearing "Blue Lives Matter".

Because Blue Lives Matter does not refer to race. Are you somehow unaware that there are police officers of all colors?

You didn't say race, you said identity.

 

[Arctish]

Are you asking TSwizzle?

If he's like Mike Pence and Loren, he'll say All Lives Matter but absolutely refuse to acknowledge that Black Lives Matter, even though it's impossible for all lives to matter if black lives don't.

Do Black Lives Matter, Trausti?

All lives matter.

So if I tell people that you fully agree that Black Lives Matter, and that you made your agreement with the fundamental belief that underpins the #BLM movement known to everyone reading this thread, would you object?

Let’s stop with the Marxist group identity garbage

If you're talking about getting rid of racism, sexism, religious bigotry, and harmful discrimination against people in our society, then I fully agree with you.

If you're talking about silencing people pointing out racism, sexism, religious bigotry, and harmful discrimination, then I see what you did there.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Show me the articles and videos in which the media present Blake as a hero.

I've seen plenty that present him as a victim, so don't bother with those. Show me the ones in which he is elevated to hero status. Otherwise, my comment about your post being a ridiculous self-own stands.

Of course it would help.
It wouldn't make the issue of excessive use of force by the police go away. It wouldn't have caused Blake to lose his Constitutional rights. But it would at least lend credibility to the idea that he posed a threat.

Well, the info is out that Blake was armed with a knife. And yet the spoiled millionaires of the NBA are still refusing to work, and there will most likely still be violent rioting in Kenosha and elsewhere and more businesses will be looted and burned down.

Is that the thing in his hand, or was it "in his possession" in the sense that he had it somewhere? Because we can all see him walking away from the cops and starting to climb into his car when he was shot, so it's not like he was about to stab someone.

I agree that there will probably be more rioting, because the thing that it fueling the riots isn't a single instance of cops shooting a guy who wasn't presenting a threat. It's multiple instances of unnecessary use of force in multiple jurisdictions in a society that so devalues the lives of black people that the usual reaction to another needless death is a collective shrug.

If I ask you to point out the moment it became necessary to shoot Blake, do you think you could do it?

We have a photo of him holding an object that looks very knife-like. We have the police confirming he had a knife. Why in the world do you think the photo doesn't show his knife? Just because that disrupts the BLM narrative that he's black thus he must be innocent doesn't make it so.

 

[Arctish]

Show me the articles and videos in which the media present Blake as a hero.

I've seen plenty that present him as a victim, so don't bother with those. Show me the ones in which he is elevated to hero status. Otherwise, my comment about your post being a ridiculous self-own stands.



Is that the thing in his hand, or was it "in his possession" in the sense that he had it somewhere? Because we can all see him walking away from the cops and starting to climb into his car when he was shot, so it's not like he was about to stab someone.

I agree that there will probably be more rioting, because the thing that it fueling the riots isn't a single instance of cops shooting a guy who wasn't presenting a threat. It's multiple instances of unnecessary use of force in multiple jurisdictions in a society that so devalues the lives of black people that the usual reaction to another needless death is a collective shrug.

If I ask you to point out the moment it became necessary to shoot Blake, do you think you could do it?

We have a photo of him holding an object that looks very knife-like. We have the police confirming he had a knife. Why in the world do you think the photo doesn't show his knife? Just because that disrupts the BLM narrative that he's black thus he must be innocent doesn't make it so.

We have a lot of vague statements about a knife being "in his possession", a knife being found on the floorboards of his car, etc., but we don't have one single eyewitness, cop, city official, police union spokesperson, or investigator for the State Attorney General's office saying Blake had a knife in his hand. And as I said in the post you quoted, we can all see him walking away from the cops and starting to climb into his car when he was shot, so it's not like he was about to stab someone.

I'm holding off an deciding whether that thing in his hand was a weapon until I have solid information from reliable sources that it was. I suggest you do the same.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

If you really cannot understand that there is a whole range of possible outcomes between "shoot an unarmed man in the back" and "let him go", then even minimally intelligent discussion is impossible.

Yeah, the cops tried those things. If after the cops try those things you reach into your car ....

Poor cops, they couldn't restrain him physically, and they were so scared for their lives that they preemptively shot him seven times in the back just to make sure he didn't hurt them. Real-life American heroes keeping us safe from dangerous criminals armed with cars.

Trying to restrain him physically was just asking for getting stabbed with that knife.

This is a guy who preferred to risk his life than go to jail. Too bad.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Two of your sources are Faux, they have repeatedly been caught pretending it's BLM doing violence even when the facts say otherwise. The only non-Faux source you give only says "rioters", it doesn't identify them as BLM.

Who do you think they are? BLMers are the ones who have the motive to, to quote Michael Brown's mother's boyfriend, "burn this bitch down". There is no evidence that it is white supremacists or Boogaloos or anybody like that.

Except for how many of them have been caught doing exactly that.

And there's a reason for it--to tar BLM.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Poor cops, they couldn't restrain him physically, and they were so scared for their lives that they preemptively shot him seven times in the back just to make sure he didn't hurt them. Real-life American heroes keeping us safe from dangerous criminals armed with cars.

Now you are being facetious. Look how much damage this fuckwit has done and he is behind the wheel of a vehicle:

I'm not advocating execution, but clearly Derec believes this maniac deserves to die. He's in a vehicle for fuck's sake!


But let's be sensible. Only shoot him 3 times in the back. There, some middle ground.

Given how much damage he's done at the vehicle of state how about a Hellfire? He's more dangerous than anyone we've dropped one on.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Disagree--I don't think that's what they are after.

Rather, it's the standard leftist error--assuming that the party with the power is always in the wrong when things go badly, thus a bad outcome is proof that they were either incompetent or evil.

Let's eliminate the hyperbole then: The party with the power is in the wrong 99.7% of the time when things go badly, thus a bad outcome is proof that they were either incompetent or evil.

Fixed.

Except that's nothing like reality, just blind defense of the underdog.

We have already seen the guy had felony warrants and was armed with a knife and was attempting to get control of a vehicle.

Means: Yes, a car can be used to run people over.

Motive: He's resisting the cops despite having guns lawfully pointed at him. Further resistance should be expected.

Opportunity: The cops are right there in front of the vehicle.

All components of an imminent threat are met, the cops are justified in pulling the trigger.

If someone chooses to die rather than go to jail there's not much the cops can do about it.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

"Moatly peaceful", while the city is burning in the background.
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And people wonder why mainstream media is not trusted ...

Perfectly sensible--they are saying there are attacks against property, not people.

 

[laughing dog]

Poor cops, they couldn't restrain him physically, and they were so scared for their lives that they preemptively shot him seven times in the back just to make sure he didn't hurt them. Real-life American heroes keeping us safe from dangerous criminals armed with cars.

Trying to restrain him physically was just asking for getting stabbed with that knife.

Except Mr. Blake refused that "request" because he stabbed no one. And, he had no fire arm in his car.

 

[atrib]

Poor cops, they couldn't restrain him physically, and they were so scared for their lives that they preemptively shot him seven times in the back just to make sure he didn't hurt them. Real-life American heroes keeping us safe from dangerous criminals armed with cars.

Trying to restrain him physically was just asking for getting stabbed with that knife.

Where is the evidence that he was brandishing a knife at the police? Where is the evidence that he attempted to stab an officer?