Will Wiley
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They seem to like war....Is that part of their platform? What else is part of their platform?
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What do American *Democrats stand for*?
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Harry Bosch
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I'll attack your strawman! It's so ironic for Trump supporters to attack dems for military intervention!
Democrats favor the following:
1. Less military spending, less military intervention, more collaboration with allies;
2. Larger safety net
3. Economic development, stronger schools, affordable education,
4. Pro choice, rights for all minorities;
5. Religion separated from government;
6. Belief in science, science to be used to set policy;
7. responsible free enterprise.
8. Opportunity is important for everyone;
9. Diversity is good
That's just a start.
10. We have a right to privacy.
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Platform? The greater part of wars fought under democratic presidents were either defensive or inherited from a Republican president's term.
So the 'platform' position of the Democratic party might be 'if we're attacked, we'll defend ourselves.'
Doesn't seem to especially reflect that they 'like' war, they'll just fight it if they don't have a choice.
It's the Republican administrations which have a slightly higher track record of starting wars.
Before we get into that, could you try to support your opening? What tells you that Dems like wars?
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Yes. That is the entirety of the platform. This is why Trump inherited occupations in 13 countries.
I think American Democrat stands for making noises about left wing positions but then really just being a shill for Wall Street and the right wing agenda.
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Really? Wow, as a moderate libertarian (and technically registered as in the LP*), I haven't really seen that. But then again, you did that funny thing of asking a leading question, pretending that you don't know the answer. Then your next sentence suggests that you did answer that question with an affirmative, but you think you actually have deniability with your charade. But yes, the Dums definitely have a significant neocon wing. The difference is that the Repugs neocon wing crowds out the non-neocons within their party by roughly on the order of 90% to 10%. Part of the problem for the Dums is that anytime a non-neocon gets to far forward at the Presidential race level, the Repugs will be all over them like flies on shit, pretending that the Dum is a commie, socialist, atheist (see post below for how it works)... So the Dum neocon faction has better national playing capacity.
* Yes, I know they are mostly loons in the LP. It is my protest against the Repugs and Dums...
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Don't forget supporting terrorism and undermining freedom and goodness!
thebeave
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Plus, safe spaces, microaggressions and cultural appropriation.
zorq
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Lol.
Tax and spend is the responsible way to run a government*, as opposed to US Republicans who seem to think Borrow more and spend more is the better course of action.
And despite white conservative belief to the contrary, sometimes SOME white people are responsible for negative impacts in the the world. (even though those white people might be rich and respected in some circles
) Of course, I can't expect most conservatives to understand the nuanced qualifiers so feel free to straw-man my statements to your hearts content.*BTW, having a government is a good thing.
That's a very optimistic take.
In general, yes, the Dems are better than the GOP on these issues. Undocumented immigrants are a fairly obvious exception - eg. Obama.
To put this in more basic terms - the Dems generally push for "smart government", while the GOP pushes, at the federal level for "less government". Both are fairly prone to betraying these basic principals - again, Obama's deportations, GOPers on abortion or LGBT rights, and so forth.
Harry Bosch
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<sigh> Why does the size of the military explode during republican administrations and shrink during democratic ones?
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Nowadays it seems to coming down to lawyers versus industrialists. Democrats like to use the law as a tool to advance secularism. Republicans don't like law that might impose costs to industrialists. Simple.
So while democrats may hate despots they're rather not use bodies to fix the problem. Republicans not so much. To them people are a commodity to be used.
So while democrats may hate despots they're rather not use bodies to fix the problem. Republicans not so much. To them people are a commodity to be used.
J842P
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Lol when has the size of the military ever *shrunk*? Likely not in living memory. Sure, the democrats don't grow the military as fast...
Harry Bosch
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??? The size of the military shrunk dramatically under Clinton. It's dropped about 15% a year under Obama. The republicans are quite concerned about the drop and are trying to increase significantly.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...tifact-sheet-our-guide-to-military-spending-/
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The British Labour party had this problem some years ago. Basically various groups seek to flirt with it such as The Council on Islamic Relations, and through civil rights groups, Marxists and extreme socialists now seek a platform on the fringes of the party.
Because God forbid that you spend money on health care when there are entire groups of innocent Arab civilians just sitting around not getting blown up at all.
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I think this 2013 real dollar graph does a good job of showing US military spending. Keep in mind that this doesn't include the explosion of VA funding necessary to deal with the after affects of invading/occupying countries.
From: https://dailyreckoning.com/a-century-of-defense-spending-in-the-united-states/
US military spending started declining under HW Bush as the USSR had crumbled, and simply continued under Clinton. And most of the declines in spending under Obama were largely due to the winding down of the occupation of Iraq and the partial wind down of the Afghan occupation. Ironically, the Korean and Vietnam wars of choice were both started Democratic presidents, though that was over a full generation back. IMPOV, I think the Dums would settle on a lower military spending level if not for the Repug love affair with everything militaristic. It ends up being the only long term jobs program both parties can agree to...
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The Democrat platform is to placate the true left with empty rhetoric while selling out and pretending to fight while capitulating to corporate interests, and pushing racism and identify politics in an attempt to divide and win votes.
The Republican platform is to placate true conservatives with empty rhetoric while selling out and dressing corporate interests up as something beneficial to the common man, and playing lip service to religious nuts and racists in an attempt to win votes.
Neither liberals nor conservatives are actually represented in either party, and this is becoming more and more apparent.
Third parties need to rise up on both ends. And it is sad to see both parties pushing racism to try to win votes. One side wants to amplify and play to it, and the other wants to amplify and play against it. Neither wants to decrease or eliminate it.
The Republican platform is to placate true conservatives with empty rhetoric while selling out and dressing corporate interests up as something beneficial to the common man, and playing lip service to religious nuts and racists in an attempt to win votes.
Neither liberals nor conservatives are actually represented in either party, and this is becoming more and more apparent.
Third parties need to rise up on both ends. And it is sad to see both parties pushing racism to try to win votes. One side wants to amplify and play to it, and the other wants to amplify and play against it. Neither wants to decrease or eliminate it.
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True.
Fucking bullshit.
Conservatives are much more represented than liberals.
And farts need to smell nicer.
Moore Coulter.
Bullshit.