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What is going on with Rotten Tomatoes removing features in response to the response against Brie Larson?

 
 
 
Sounds like they realized that prior to a film's actual release, there is little useful or relevant for the public to say about it, so the comments and pre-release "want to see" ratings are often driven by politics, racism, and other troll behavior that is of no relevance to the substantive content of the film.

If Rotten Tomatoes wants to be a site about what critics and audience members thought about films they actually saw, it makes sense for them to get rid of features that have little to do with that, especially if those features can get mistaken for actual audience reviews of the film. The rest of the internet is filled with places that trolls can go to vent how much they want to rape Brie Larson for pointing out the fact that white males are over-represented among film critics by more than double.
 
What is going on with conservative snowflakes freaking out every time an internet presence like Rotten Tomatoes decides to take steps to keep assholes* from ruining the experience for users who just want to access their content?



*assholes in this context being those same conservative snowflakes who are bitching about it in the first place.
 
ronburgundy said:
Sounds like they realized that prior to a film's actual release, there is little useful or relevant for the public to say about it, so the comments and pre-release "want to see" ratings are often driven by politics, racism, and other troll behavior...
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...and bots.
 
It would be nice if people didn’t need to take additional action because trolls are trolls, but trolls are trolls and they’re not going to stop being trolls.

The initial reviews from the people who’ve seen the movie seem to be quite positive.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
ronburgundy said:
Sounds like they realized that prior to a film's actual release, there is little useful or relevant for the public to say about it, so the comments and pre-release "want to see" ratings are often driven by politics, racism, and other troll behavior...
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...and bots.
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I thought trolls and bots were largely the same thing, except that one is devoid of a mind and just posts what it is programmed to, while the other is computer software.

Trolls and bots
Bots and trolls
filling up chatrooms
skewing the polls

Dumbing the discourse
untruthing the facts
If Trump is your president
You know you've been hacked
 
Curious, what is the point of these online trolling raves? Star Wars drew how much money? Black Panther did pretty well at the box office.

Is this racism/sexism through attrition or a bunch of racist incels who organize to do such things to show the world that... I really have no idea.

It seems hard for women or minorities to do anything without being reminded by some that they are women and minorities and don't belong.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Curious, what is the point of these online trolling raves? Star Wars drew how much money? Black Panther did pretty well at the box office.

Is this racism/sexism through attrition or a bunch of racist incels who organize to do such things to show the world that... I really have no idea.

It seems hard for women or minorities to do anything without being reminded by some that they are women and minorities and don't belong.
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The point is to annoy people. Trolls love to annoy people, but they also don't like to take the heat for annoying people, so they do it on the internet, where they don't have to pay the price for being an annoying twit unless they go way too far.
 
Also, the movie seems like it will have themes of female empowerment. That’s s direct insult against the incels because if they don’t even have being better then some fucking woman going for them, it would mean that they’d be forced to realize that they have absolutely nothing. Then they go and drive a van through a crowd or something.
 
What exactly did Brie Larson say/do that was so offensive? This is Anita Sarkeesian all over again.
 
I'm not really into the whole comic book universe thing, but as an outsider just looking in at this briefly and superficially, the appearance she gives (at least in repoman's video), whether she realizes it or not, is that she has some disdain for "white dudes". Who are a large fraction of the movie's fanbase, right? So, why say that? Why bring race into something that really has nothing to do with race? If you insult, or appear to insult, huge chunks of your audience why would you expect them to support or embrace you? Kinda reminds me of when Hillary made her "deplorables" comment. No doubt there were a lot of potential voters who were on the fence about who to support for president, but when she made that comment, probably a lot of those people said, "Well, fuck you then, Hillary. I'm not racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. I'm not voting for you". Its widely regarded by both the left and the right that that was one of the major gaffes of her campaign. Its amazing that people are still making this stupid mistake years later.
 
Let's assume for the moment that her comments are honest and well-meant and not part of hyping either the movie or herself. Let's also assume it's ok for a (now wealthy) white woman to bemoan lack of minority (and female) representation in the film industry, including among film critics, without being a 'white knightess'. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume both those things.

Beyond that, she's a Feminist who believes in female empowerment and is not shy of saying both things.

I think she probably knew her remarks would irk some white males, because she did, I think, emphasise at least twice in one winner's speech that she 'has nothing against white dudes'. But I guess she wants to make her points anyway. To me, her points seem fair enough, and I don't think she has anything against white dudes. I think she was married to one for quite a while.
 
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As for Rotten Tomatoes, I go there to see critic's reviews, mainly. So the changes they've made don't bother me.

As for sci-fi/fantasy genres, it strikes me that they are very, very popular (along with horror?) among people who frequent secular websites. I won't go into my proto-theory about how it's an alternative form of escapism to religion. Lol. I might get death threats or something. And all movies are arguably escapist to some extent. And I do like films from those genres, from time to time, though they seem to set off my 'formulaic' detector quite a bit.
 
thebeave said:
I'm not really into the whole comic book universe thing, but as an outsider just looking in at this briefly and superficially, the appearance she gives (at least in repoman's video), whether she realizes it or not, is that she has some disdain for "white dudes".
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Except the part where she explicitly and repeatedly refutes your baseless inference. "For the third time (she said it twice already), I don't hate white dudes. These are just facts. These are not my feelings. [in reference to the fact that white dudes are highly over represented among paid film critics.]"


Why bring race into something that really has nothing to do with race?
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Race and gender have tons to do with it. As a simple empirical fact, race and gender strongly predict who gets paid to write movie reviews, with white males being nearly 4 times a likely as white females, 5 times as likely as non-white males, and 15 times as likely as white females. And many of the female and minority reviewers are working for smaller specialty publications. So, the disparity is even greater in terms of the reviewers at major media outlets of the sort who get to go to early press releases.
This matters because movie reviews are inherently subjective and filtered via the reviewers own experiences, tastes, and what they can relate to and identify with, all things that vary by race due to different experiences (with some of those experiences being racism and sexism). That makes the race and gender of the movie reviewers more relevant to how movies get reviewed than just about any other type of profession. And since how movies get reviewed heavily impacts movie success and thus what type of movies with what type of characters get made, that makes it of extreme importance for film makers, actors, and everyone interested in watching movies.

This is the simple factual point that Larson was making. She just didn't go into as much depth spelling it out as I did, b/c she thought the point was obvious and forgot about the minions of alt-right trolls who would deliberately distort her point.
 
Ruby, I realize you are likely aware of what I post below, but I want to clarify some things and help prevent unscrupulous others from trying to make misuse of the points you raised.

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Let's assume for the moment that her comments are honest and well-meant and not part of hyping either the movie or herself.
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There is evidence it is quite sincere and more than words to promote Captain Marvel. She first made these comments 18 months ago, while accepting an award for "helping to expand to role of women in film". This was days after the release of a formal study by USC showing the massive over representation of white males among film critics, and Larson had personally spoken with the lead researcher. Plus, she appears to be involved with getting Sundance and Toronto film festivals to increase the % of press passes given to minority and female critics.

Let's also assume it's ok for a (now wealthy) white woman to bemoan lack of minority (and female) representation in the film industry, including among film critics, without being a 'white knightess'. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume both those things.
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Her comments have been just as much about inclusion for women critics as for non-whites, but her attackers just appear to be focusing on the race aspect. Regardless, her own race and gender have no relevance to the validity of her concerns, and white people using their influence to help non-whites is an act of generosity, not a problem. The problem you are referring to is not about real world white people helping non-whites, but about Hollywood film portrayals of "white knights" who swoop in and completely save the day for non-whites portrayed as helpless and not trying to help themselves.
 
Uh oh, does Captain Marvel glorify the military?!?

https://www.dailydot.com/parsec/is-captain-marvel-military-propaganda/

Diversity washing of imperialism!!!

But on a serious note, having companies do things that you think they should do regarding social issues is laudable, but how much of it is just PR?



Could not easily find one about possible tokenism of women by corporations, so I will use this instead. Similar concept.
 
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The fucking movie isn't out yet and snowflakes are already getting sand in their arse crack over it. How fragile do you have to be to be worried about this shit? Here is another article describing this storm in a teacup:

While it's great that RT is finally killing off a flawed feature that should never have been up in the first place, they're not doing much to address the core problem: review manipulation by assholes with horrible agendas. So far, pretty much no one on the internet has figured that one out. But a good start would be to stop dancing around the issue. Call these motherfuckers out. Lose their business, happily. After all, how big can the "bigoted loudmouth" market really be?
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I'll ask again, what did Brie Larson say/do that was so offensive? The amount of youtube clips I've seen posted by Dave Cullen etc is astonishing; none of which I might add have posted a link or a quote or gave context to anything Larson has said or done. It's just assumed everybody knows. Doesn't work that way.
 
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