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What should the world do about ISIS?

Perspicuo said:
... or more specifically, what should the West do about ISIS?
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Nothing. Let them and the Iranians fight it out. If we could get Hamas in on the action (like Syrian civil war did with Hezbollah) that would be like winning a jackpot.

Colbert Segment on Isis (see part starting at 6:35 in particular)
 
I'm still leaning towards "blanket the entire region with neutron bombs, or just let them all kill each other."
 
Support the Kurds economically so that they can defend their Southern border from the ISIS.
 
Ya, the Kurds seem to be the least crazy of all the crazies in the area, so wall them off in exchange for territorial guarantees about not trying to move on the Kurdish areas of Turkey.

Other than that, forget the place and let the fanaticism burn itself out as opposed to continuously fanning the flames of it because they have our drugs. Take the money scheduled to build new bombs and use it to help develop our own drugs.
 
bigfield said:
Support the Kurds economically so that they can defend their Southern border from the ISIS.
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The Sunnis are taking over Sunni held areas because of little resistance. Going north would expel way too much in resources. And the Kurds probably would hold their own anyway.

The big problem intervening with ISIS is "what do you do?" It looks like it is finally time for the Middle East to have their WWI and redraw the maps.

So glad conservatives were big on increasing our energy efficiencies in order to become energy independent so it won't affect us as much.
 
I think we should send the Chickenhawks <edit> to fight this one.
 
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The real question is, what should the world do about violent nations, like the US, that go around creating the chaos and misery that groups like ISIS evolve from?
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
The big problem intervening with ISIS is "what do you do?" It looks like it is finally time for the Middle East to have their WWI and redraw the maps.
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It has some parallels with the breakup of Yugoslavia, a country that was formed at about the same time as Iraq and broke up violently.

The Yugoslavs wars ended with a series of smaller states in place of Yugoslavia; Iraq, with it's irreconcilable ethnic divisions, should end in the same way. If the Western world is going to do anything, it should expedite this outcome by supporting the establishment of new national borders and new economies.
 
untermensche said:
The real question is, what should the world do about violent nations, like the US, that go around creating the chaos and misery that groups like ISIS evolve from?
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We should give them a 15 minute time out to think about what they've done.

I don't know why they don't teach this stuff to diplomats.
 
bigfield said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
The big problem intervening with ISIS is "what do you do?" It looks like it is finally time for the Middle East to have their WWI and redraw the maps.
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It has some parallels with the breakup of Yugoslavia, a country that was formed at about the same time as Iraq and broke up violently.

The Yugoslavs wars ended with a series of smaller states in place of Yugoslavia; Iraq, with it's irreconcilable ethnic divisions, should end in the same way. If the Western world is going to do anything, it should expedite this outcome by supporting the establishment of new national borders and new economies.
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There are pan-Arab elements in this. Many Arabs want a huge single Arab nation.

And of course the West has used religion and support of religious fanatics and support of tyrannical governments for decades to try to prevent this.
 
untermensche said:
bigfield said:
It has some parallels with the breakup of Yugoslavia, a country that was formed at about the same time as Iraq and broke up violently.

The Yugoslavs wars ended with a series of smaller states in place of Yugoslavia; Iraq, with it's irreconcilable ethnic divisions, should end in the same way. If the Western world is going to do anything, it should expedite this outcome by supporting the establishment of new national borders and new economies.
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There are pan-Arab elements in this. Many Arabs want a huge single Arab nation.
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Which groups are fighting for Arab unification?

untermensche said:
And of course the West has used religion and support of religious fanatics and support of tyrannical governments for decades to try to prevent this.
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An extension of the Cold War.
 
bigfield said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
The big problem intervening with ISIS is "what do you do?" It looks like it is finally time for the Middle East to have their WWI and redraw the maps.
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It has some parallels with the breakup of Yugoslavia, a country that was formed at about the same time as Iraq and broke up violently.

The Yugoslavs wars ended with a series of smaller states in place of Yugoslavia; Iraq, with it's irreconcilable ethnic divisions, should end in the same way. If the Western world is going to do anything, it should expedite this outcome by supporting the establishment of new national borders and new economies.
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That works great in theory. The Kurds would be fine with the idea, as they have theor own national identity and are seeking greater autonomy if not independence anyway. The Shia would complain of course, but they've got oil fields and are in good terms with Iran so they could probably live with partition.

Who gets shafted in this deal is the Sunnis who are stuck with nothing but ISIS fuckers, who are likely to just use their base in Iraq to further destabilize Syria and Jordan.
 
untermensche said:
The real question is, what should the world do about violent nations, like the US, that go around creating the chaos and misery that groups like ISIS evolve from?
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Ok, here's the situation: WW1 and Versailles just passed, it's done, boohoo. Now Hitler's here. What are you going to do about it?

ISIS is to what you folks are thinking, as Hulk is to last year's Mr Universe. These people are fantastically powerful and effective.

The video I posted is an example (you can inform yourselves with any other report you like) for those of you who think it's just another peasant revolt. Armchair reverie over a cup of Starbucks latte is not going to make the grade.
 
Perspicuo said:
bigfield said:
Support the Kurds economically so that they can defend their Southern border from the ISIS.
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You have not seen what ISIS is capable of. These are not your regular Sandinistas.
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Neither are the Kurds defenseless. ISIS hasn't accomplished as much as it would seem. They took over predominantly undefended territories where their sect of their religion was the predominant religion. ISIS most likely can't just wage war, it doesn't have the resources and abilities to move massive quantities of supplies to different fronts. So they are taking over areas that are ripe for the picking.

And as bad as ISIS is, the ultimate issue is that this is an Iran-Saudi Arabia proxy war. Their support is what determines the outcomes here.
 
"What should the World do" assumes the world should do something.
"What should the West do" assumes the west should do something.
"What should the USA do" assumes the USA should do something.

I don't agree that something should be done.
 
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