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What stupid ass thing did Donald tweet this week?

As a response to the terrorist attack on 9/11, you'd have bombed our 44th largest export market?

I'm assuming you misunderstood my question...
You misunderstood my point. If someone drops 10 bombs on us, I'd like the ability to retaliate aggressively, even if said aggression isn't necessary. You coming back at me with an example that didn't involve nuclear attack sparked my silliness.
Oh.

You're being silly.

I wasn't.

Imagine that Trump had been president on 9/11. You're in his cabinet.
9/11 happens, and Trump tells you to 'nuke the people responsible.' Because Trump's all about overkill and impropportionate responses and using nukes because we have them. And your time limit is close-of-business on 9/12.

How would you go about responding to this command?
 
Using power and having power isn't the same.
Having "power" and being afraid to use that power makes you, in the end, powerless. The first person who calls your bluff, all that "power" simply disappears.

Intimidation is not power.
Idle threats are not power.
Bluster is not power.
Saber rattling is not power.
It's not problem of quantity. It's the fact that power you can't use isn't really power. You can bullshit people into cooperating with you, but that doesn't make you powerful, it makes you smart and manipulative. In which case, it would actually be more effective if we PRETENDED to have a lot of nuclear weapons, knowing that we'll never actually be asked to prove it. There are entire countries whose entire nuclear deterrent strategy thrives on that kind of ambiguity.

Being excessive is seldom necessary or smart.
Indeed. This is equally true of building up a nuclear arsenal we don't really need and will probably never use just for the purpose of looking tough to people who already fail to take us seriously. Three thousand nuclear warheads wasn't enough to scare ISIS into surrendering, so why would a thousand more make any difference? When you put a gun to a guy's head and he still doesn't flinch, pulling a BIGGER gun isn't going to make it any scarier.
 
Having "power" and being afraid to use that power makes you, in the end, powerless.
I won't argue over the technicalities of that odd yet common perspective, but I grasp your intended meaning. Not using nuclear weapons in response to an attack like 9/11 is not a decision made through fear. Using nuclear weapons in retaliation is not merely excessive but unconscionably so.

I don't particularly have a problem with excessive force per se, so while using some instances of excessive force can be considered unnecessary, some instances of overkill may nevertheless be acceptable to me; however, that doesn't mean we should adopt an "anything goes" attitude.

Ex: if you get hit once and retaliate with three blows where only one is necessary, then two blows were unnecessary, but three hits being an instance of unnecessary overkill is not wildly extremist as would killing the family of the one who hit you.

I am fine with overkill when it comes to being excessive with having more nuclear weapons, but that should neither be construed as a proper response to non-nuclear threats nor should not using excessive force be condidered a fear of doing so.
 
Having "power" and being afraid to use that power makes you, in the end, powerless.
I won't argue over the technicalities of that odd yet common perspective, but I grasp your intended meaning. Not using nuclear weapons in response to an attack like 9/11 is not a decision made through fear. Using nuclear weapons in retaliation is not merely excessive but unconscionably so.
Then I'm confused.
What's the point of beefing up our nuclear arsenal to scare people off of attacking us, if people can kill thousands of our citizens in a day and know they don't face nuclear retaliation?
The arsenal won't work as a deterrence if we're not intending to use it, if there's a known line we won't cross.

If we convert four more Trident subs to conventional Tomahawk missiles, though, we may have greater options for surgical strikes against specific, smaller targets.
 
Having "power" and being afraid to use that power makes you, in the end, powerless.
I won't argue over the technicalities of that odd yet common perspective, but I grasp your intended meaning. Not using nuclear weapons in response to an attack like 9/11 is not a decision made through fear. Using nuclear weapons in retaliation is not merely excessive but unconscionably so.
Correct. And thus collecting the power to commit an unconscionably excessive reaction, without the will to actually COMMIT that action, is not real "power." As I said, intimidation is not power.

We have sufficient nuclear deterrence to exact an unacceptably high cost on any nation that attacks the United States with a nuclear weapon. Strengthening that deterrent gives us no real advantage; we either have it or we don't. It does, however, produce the added DIS advantage of eroding our credibility internationally when we attempt to push a non-proliferation agenda against people like North Korea, China, Russia, India and Pakistan. They could make the case that the United States is amassing a larger arsenal as a possible aggressive act and that it is logical for them to do the same in order to deter OUR aggression.

It makes little sense to seek to appear more belligerent than you actually are (and already appear to be) when you're trying to win the cooperation of people who already question your conventional capabilities.

Ex: if you get hit once and retaliate with three blows where only one is necessary, then two blows were unnecessary, but three hits being an instance of unnecessary overkill is not wildly extremist as would killing the family of the one who hit you.
Nuclear deterrence is the DEFINITION of overkill. The whole point is that the RETALIATION for any nuclear attack would not be proportionate to the initial attack; China couldn't launch a "limited" strike and only demolish a single America city, trusting that the U.S. would respond by only demolishing a single Chinese city. Nuclear deterrence means that once you go nuclear, all bets are off, and your opponent escalates immediately to total warfare.

In your example: your neighbor across the street fires a gun from his porch and hits your front door. You respond as you have made sure he understands you will respond: you take out a miningun and spray his house with bullets until the roof caves in. The idea is, no one is ever going to take a shot at you because the retaliation will be massive and complete. Everyone on the block already knows this, and in a town full of trigger happy yokels it's kept the peace.

So now you want to go out and buy two more miniguns because the first one isn't enough. This at a time when your dad has taken to making drunken speeches about how he wants to go and kick everyone's ass and how he's best friends now with the town's biggest bully. Suddenly EVERYONE on the block wants a minigun because they don't want to be the one who gets shot without a way to retaliate. And the more people have guns, the better the odds that one of these heavily armed lunatics might make an error in judgement and do something that turns a tense situation into the mother of all crossfires.

This is the difference between nuclear deterrence and nuclear proliferation. The former keeps your enemies from considering a really bad option. The latter leads to a nuclear arms race that makes Really Bad Option more available to more people.
 
What's the point of beefing up our nuclear arsenal to scare people off of attacking us, if people can kill thousands of our citizens in a day and know they don't face nuclear retaliation?
Damn what a question!
1) there is a point to beefing up our nuclear arsenal.
2) scaring people off is only apart of the point & then only for select groups.
3) people can kill thousands without retaliation but not just any people
4) some do face nuclear retaliation but not all
5) they don't know
 
In your example
So much to respond to.

I am (most certainly) okay with doing what's necessary, but I'm also okay with doing more, so (as logic would have it) I'm okay with doing what's unnecessary; however, although I can be somewhat (somewhat, I say) extreme, there is a limit, and I am not an extremist, so although I'm willing to push the envelope (and surpass merely doing which is necessary), there is a semblance of rational thought in that although I am in favor of going past and beyond that which is necessary, I still fall below the boundary of (out of control) extremism.

There is more (in my mind) to nuclear capability than mere nuclear deterrence. This is a multifaceted issue. It's very unfortunate that my choice to favor having more nuclear weapons than necessary may result in being a causal agent for other nations increasing their capabilities, as that one aspect can increase the risk for future misuse by others, but weighing the costs and benefits of remaining rationally minded in the public eye is not completely sold on me as a best outcome scenario. I am not powerless merely because I will not use my power in select circumstances, and that is shown true in my willingness to use the power in other circumstances. So much more to say, but I don't want to cause distraction.
 
In your example
So much to respond to.

I am (most certainly) okay with doing what's necessary, but I'm also okay with doing more, so (as logic would have it) I'm okay with doing what's unnecessary; however, although I can be somewhat (somewhat, I say) extreme, there is a limit, and I am not an extremist, so although I'm willing to push the envelope (and surpass merely doing which is necessary), there is a semblance of rational thought in that although I am in favor of going past and beyond that which is necessary, I still fall below the boundary of (out of control) extremism.
Then there is no need for further nuclear weapons expansion.
 
I thought I already mentioned this but I find no record of it.

I anticipate that Twitter, Inc. will quietly be asked to introduce a delay between the time Trump hits "send" and the time his tweet actually goes out to the network, so that cooler heads can oversee.

They may even be asked to tweak things so Trump does see it on his feed and so thinks that it *did* go out immediately.

Neither operation strikes me as technically infeasible...
 
I thought I already mentioned this but I find no record of it.

I anticipate that Twitter, Inc. will quietly be asked to introduce a delay between the time Trump hits "send" and the time his tweet actually goes out to the network, so that cooler heads can oversee.

They may even be asked to tweak things so Trump does see it on his feed and so thinks that it *did* go out immediately.

Neither operation strikes me as technically infeasible...

Hellbanning, a good treatment for Trump.

However, I would prefer that his tweets go out uncensored so people see how bad he is.
 
My suggestion is (since the CIA most likely keeps secrets from the president anyway) is they request twitter make it so none of his tweets go public and fake view counts and comments so he can't tell the difference.
 
Heh. That guy is going to be in charge of your country in a couple of weeks.
 
Heh. That guy is going to be in charge of your country in a couple of weeks.

Really looking forward to the inevitable global economic collapse, getting laid off, and my life being ruined.

At least rural Americans got to believe that their lives would get better for a couple months.
 
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