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Jason Harvestdancer
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Part one of your question is yes they sometimes do.
Part two of your question is no it is not their brand.
Oh look, I answered a question. People never return the favor, and that is proof that I don't answer questions. People would rather respond to strawman versions of my statement than statement I actually put forward. Some of them even pretend that if they don't read my post then the post wasn't made and they can continue to put forward fictitious stories about how I don't state my position.
Jason Harvestdancer
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They try to present themselves as nationalist. Notice I used one unhyphenated word there. That is an important distinction. They are not always successful in how they present themselves.
They have a reputation for violence due to their clashes with Antifa.
Oh look, I answered a question. People never return the favor, and that is proof that I don't answer questions. People would rather respond to strawman versions of my statement than statement I actually put forward. Some of them even pretend that if they don't read my post then the post wasn't made and they can continue to put forward fictitious stories about how I don't state my position.
Thanks.
Why do they clash with Antifa? Isn’t antifa against fascists, not nationalists?
Jason Harvestdancer
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They are trying to present themselves as just against fascism, the same way the Proud Boys are trying to present themselves as just being nationalists. It is pretty obvious that there is a lot more to Antifa than merely being against fascism. There are many things they are against. It should be remembered that the original organization (after which the current organization is named) was to the German Communist Party as the brown shirts were to the German National Socialist Workers Party.
If Antifa were merely anti-fascist I would see them as a force for good, yet I do not see them as such.
Of course you realize you've created a tangent. Mod generally disapprove of tangents and tell us to stick to the topic.
Oh look, I answered a question. People never return the favor, and that is proof that I don't answer questions. People would rather respond to strawman versions of my statement than statement I actually put forward. Some of them even pretend that if they don't read my post then the post wasn't made and they can continue to put forward fictitious stories about how I don't state my position.
Jimmy Higgins
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As a reminder, the US Capitol building isn't the HQ for Antifa. But it is interesting how you managed to drag in a derail so quickly. Flopping the OP from The Proud Boys to Antifa, in a typical maneuver of your's, the good ole 'just as bad' twerk.
Cheerful Charlie
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Google "history of the proud boys". When were they formed? Why? Who started them? What are their idological positions? Their activities since forming?
No use asking here. Check out those who track such organizations.
No use asking here. Check out those who track such organizations.
Jason Harvestdancer
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Sorry for defaming your denomination.
I wasn’t looking for who the Google thought they were, though. I was interested in who Jason thought they were. People looking through different lenses will note different details. I was just curious.
Tell me more about this. What makes them unsuccessful? Is this consistent from the original leaders to the current ones?
Do you mean that they fail to live up to their own ideals? Or do you mean that people misinterpret their actions? Or, other?
Don2 (Don1 Revised)
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The Proud Boys are not merely nationalists, they call themselves western chauvinists. If they were only nationalists, they'd not have exclusively male membership and call themselves chauvinists. Part of the chauvinist schtick is to be violent with initiates as part of hazing initiation and then this violent culture continues within the organization and at events. That isn't merely an anti-left--they started it first--doctrine and you can see another counter-example when you view their participation in J6. They were not fighting antifa but democratically elected officials and their guards. That isn't nationalist, it's far-right, conspiratorial extremism promoting violent solutions to imagined/propagandized problems.