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Why do people believe in hell?

If only there was someone who knew the objective truth about Hell. Maybe he could let us know, perhaps inspire someone to write down the details so that we can end the speculation, the debate, the "my clobber verses outnumber your clobber verses" arguments.
 
You might as well ask for the objective truth about elves.

The more interesting question is arguably the OP one, why does anyone even believe in such nonsense in the first place?

Though even that is probably not resolveable in individual cases until somebody comes up with a reliable cure for woo infections of the brain.

Until then, we will have to make do with hit and miss remedies involving good quality, woo-free education, and not brainwashing people, especially little children, which, thankfully, seem to be having at least some effect, since belief in superstitious bunkum like this appears to be in general decline where such things happen.
 
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Believing in hell doesn't feel good as you think, if those close to us don't believe in it.

I feel for you. I wish I could help. The only advice I can offer is to suggest that you try your best to catch yourself on and <edited>.
 
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Someone 'studied hell for their masters thesis' and came up with the conclusion that 'hell is not eternal?' Unbelievable.

Did you watch the video? I did. ‘Studied’ is arguably a dubious word to use here.

Watching and listening to the guy in the video reminded me of being at Sunday School.

I think we can at least say that he was being honest and sincere and is a nice, well-meaning person who’s doing his best in difficult circumstances, like my old Sunday school teacher. Lovely person. Severe woo infection though.
 
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Putting aside the notion of 'studying hell' - the idea of hell for a limited time seems absurd. Are we to be told by the God of Love that "as an atheist your punishment shall be a hundred years of torment....then we shall love each other and live in heavenly bliss forever and ever, amen?""
 
People believe in hell because it feels good to think they are going to heaven. Without the duality heaven has no meaning.

Believing in hell doesn't feel good as you think, if those close to us don't believe in it.

Really? Because i recall enjoying being on the inside of an 'in' joke, as it were. Humans have always enjoyed being on the right side, especially if it's the obviously superior side.

Of course, back then everyone around me was Christain, they weren't the right KIND of Christain, and weren't going to the rightest of Heavens, but they still got a consolation Heaven.
What actually made me feel bad was not that, but the entire concept of Hell. Eternal torture for finite crime being called 'justice,' that had to be a test.
 
Putting aside the notion of 'studying hell' - the idea of hell for a limited time seems absurd. Are we to be told by the God of Love that "as an atheist your punishment shall be a hundred years of torment....then we shall love each other and live in heavenly bliss forever and ever, amen?""

Waste of time, since as you say that’s not what’s in the texts.
 
Eternal torture for finite crime being called 'justice,' that had to be a test.

One can imagine a situation where everyone is forgiven, because as it turns out, god really is loving, and god turning to the souls of Christians and saying, ‘seriously, you thought of me as loving but you actually bought into the idea that I was really, seriously, going to do THAT?”

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Putting aside the notion of 'studying hell' - the idea of hell for a limited time seems absurd. Are we to be told by the God of Love that "as an atheist your punishment shall be a hundred years of torment....then we shall love each other and live in heavenly bliss forever and ever, amen?""

Waste of time, since as you say that’s not what’s in the texts.

Ah, yes, but we have an example of someone who 'studied hell for his master's thesis' and concluded that hell is 'not permanent for humans.'
 
Ah, yes, but we have an example of someone who 'studied hell for his master's thesis' and concluded that hell is 'not permanent for humans.'

No, we have the equivalent of a benevolent Sunday school teacher telling us he really, really hopes something awful is not actually the case.
 
... Severe woo infection ...

Excellent use of language.

The word itself, hell, is a modern pagan word. None of the ancient words meant a place of eternal torment, it was simply where the dead went.

It is good to constantly remind oneself that all translation is a lie.
 
I just remembered something from my childhood. Hell is often used as a scare tactic to manipulate innocent, naive people. I don't recall the exact details of why I was included in the group that was forced to listen to a preacher who I learned to despise as I grew older, but I think my parents were some type of counselors for a group of teenagers and they had to listen to this horrible preacher's sermon.

He went on a rant and said he wished he could bring a man out of the depths of hell so the man could tell us what eternal torment was like. That would certainly make us repent. Sometimes I wondered exactly what it is that we were supposed to be repenting for. The assumption that all humans are somehow evil creatures who sin and must ask for forgiveness is pretty absurd in the first place. Just what evil did a 7 year old little girl do that she needed to beg for forgiveness?

The preacher I mentioned was the son of the primary preacher in the church that I was forced to attend throughout my entire childhood. Seriously. Who defines what is evil? To me, indoctrinating children to believe they are sinners who must repent or they will be tormented eternally, is pretty much a definition of "evil" itself.

I have always been thankful that I was able to free myself from this dreadful doctrine, but sadly, one of my sisters still clings to much of these beliefs. I personally believe it has been part of the reason why she has experienced so much guilt and anxiety in her life. I have tried to discuss it with her, but she becomes so upset, probably because she believes I'm going to hell, that I've decided it's best that we leave religion out of our conversations. I once asked her if she thought I was going to hell. After a long pause, she replied, "I don't know". I'm sad for her.
 
People believe in hell because it feels good to think they are going to heaven. Without the duality heaven has no meaning.

Believing in hell doesn't feel good as you think, if those close to us don't believe in it.

Really? Because i recall enjoying being on the inside of an 'in' joke, as it were. Humans have always enjoyed being on the right side, especially if it's the obviously superior side.

Of course, back then everyone around me was Christain, they weren't the right KIND of Christain, and weren't going to the rightest of Heavens, but they still got a consolation Heaven.
What actually made me feel bad was not that, but the entire concept of Hell. Eternal torture for finite crime being called 'justice,' that had to be a test.
LOL...yeah, my wife and I had gone to an indy Baptist church for a couple years that was into the Hellfire and Brimstone stuff. And they could get downright giddy about it. I remember feeling not so comfortable with that at the time.

At the same time, I don't think the giddy 'Hellfire and Brimstone' Christian crowd is that high of a percentage of all the flavors out there. But either way, the Christians shouldn't feel too bad, they will get a lobotomy first thing in heaven, so they won't really care if their son, daughter, wife, husband, or parent that is in an eternal Auschwitz for the billions...Just...WTF
 
The classic duality of reality means the eternal part of reality does not change. Therefore, when a person dies, the eternal part of them, their soul, is locked in place. So if you die with unacknowledged mistakes, misdeeds, or sins, in short in spiritual pain, you lock yourself into eternity with that pain.

The theory was AFAICT, that during life, that is existing in the dynamic part of duality, the soul can be influenced. So it's in your interest to make an effort to have a "good" soul. It's not logical even according to its own logic, but that's the theory.

I say this because I think there is an underlying intuitive appeal that people respond to, fantasy elements aside. And it is in a way common sense. You should recognize the mistakes you make and seek to avoid repeating them, and seek to resolve any pain that may result.
 
I say this because I think there is an underlying intuitive appeal that people respond to, fantasy elements aside. And it is in a way common sense. You should recognize the mistakes you make and seek to avoid repeating them, and seek to resolve any pain that may result.

It's similar to family life, if you live in an authoritarian and punitive family. Be good or Dad's going to be angry. You don't want to live outside our circle of familial love, you'll perish without the parental figure's care. And you'll lose that if you're not good. Which requires being penitent and obedient.

It's very intuitive. A child will feel like they're "bad" in their very self if they displease the parents. It's not "oops, I did a bad thing but otherwise am good". It's "I did a bad thing, mom and dad are very angry, I'm inherently bad. I better remember this badness forever because I feel [way deep down inside the more primitive structures of the brain] if they stop loving me so much that they won't care for me it would mean my death".

Christianity "metaphysicized" that basic feature of human psychology into a picture of the cosmos.

Yeah, you can squeeze some basic common sense out of the mythology, but it takes ignoring how harshly paternalistic that the imagery is.
 
As I see it, we can to some extent forgive the people who originally dreamt this awful stuff up. They were, after all, pretty ignorant, by any reasonable standard, and their lives were usually relatively brutal and short.

Educated people still believing it or subscribing to it today do not generally have those excuses. 🤷
 
As I see it, we can to some extent forgive the people who originally dreamt this awful stuff up. They were, after all, pretty ignorant, by any reasonable standard, and their lives were usually relatively brutal and short.

Educated people still believing it or subscribing to it today do not generally have those excuses. [emoji1745]

More important even than our education is our greater consciousness, I’d guess.

I think many educated people do believe in the symbolism of religion rather than in its reality.
 
I say this because I think there is an underlying intuitive appeal that people respond to, fantasy elements aside. And it is in a way common sense. You should recognize the mistakes you make and seek to avoid repeating them, and seek to resolve any pain that may result.

It's similar to family life, if you live in an authoritarian and punitive family. Be good or Dad's going to be angry. You don't want to live outside our circle of familial love, you'll perish without the parental figure's care. And you'll lose that if you're not good. Which requires being penitent and obedient.

It's very intuitive. A child will feel like they're "bad" in their very self if they displease the parents. It's not "oops, I did a bad thing but otherwise am good". It's "I did a bad thing, mom and dad are very angry, I'm inherently bad. I better remember this badness forever because I feel [way deep down inside the more primitive structures of the brain] if they stop loving me so much that they won't care for me it would mean my death".

Christianity "metaphysicized" that basic feature of human psychology into a picture of the cosmos.

Yeah, you can squeeze some basic common sense out of the mythology, but it takes ignoring how harshly paternalistic that the imagery is.

Is the only reason to be “good” ie make the correct decisions in life, to satisfy an authority figure?

Or is it something everybody does(excepting sociopaths)?
 
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