Would you compromise on abortion?

[PyramidHead]

There is no magic dividing line between the inside of the birth canal and the outside that endows the baby with special status. The things that make someone worthy of moral consideration, in my opinion, come later than birth.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Why not just offer all of those AND abortion.

Read the title. 50% of Americans are pro life. Would you compromise with them?

They are pro-birth, not pro-life. There is a difference.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Not at all. One could simply say because this issue affects women more than men, I will defer to their judgment.

If you look at this in a pro-choice mindset, and see the unborn as not our equals, and see it as a matter of controlling a woman's body, you make sense. But if you view it as the killing of innocent equals of ours, not so much. There are just as many male unborns being aborted as female unborns. Yes, it is women who do the aborting, but since when do we abandon the innocent and defer to the killers?

Technically speaking, no one can be innocent if they haven't made a choice.

ETA:

We are talking about a woman's body. A body that endures substantial changes due to a birth. A process that is arduous and invasive. And of course, there is the whole birth part too! Pregnancy is a 9 month process. We sentence criminals to shorter terms for committing crimes, a woman has committed no crime.

Abortions should be limited, shouldn't be a method of consistent birth control for an individual, but to say a woman has to give birth to a child because they had sex? That seems a bit medieval.

 

[PyramidHead]

If you look at this in a pro-choice mindset, and see the unborn as not our equals, and see it as a matter of controlling a woman's body, you make sense. But if you view it as the killing of innocent equals of ours, not so much. There are just as many male unborns being aborted as female unborns. Yes, it is women who do the aborting, but since when do we abandon the innocent and defer to the killers?

Technically speaking, no one can be innocent if they haven't made a choice.

I would also ask: why is innocence alone enough to afford moral protection against killing? An acorn is innocent.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Technically speaking, no one can be innocent if they haven't made a choice.

I would also ask: why is innocence alone enough to afford moral protection against killing? An acorn is innocent.

just so you know

Every omelet at the IHOP is a triple abortion. Those poor innocent chicks.

 

[Rhea]

Abortions should be limited, shouldn't be a method of consistent birth control for an individual,

Why?
Just out of curiosity. Why shouldn't women be able to use that as birth control. The risks are to her and between her and her doctor.

I mean, I agree with you that women are unwise to do that because it will create an unneeded burden on the healthcare system because multiple surgeries, even minor ones, are more likely to result in follow-up needs. But to say that there should be anby kind of regulation of it doesn't seem to make sense.

Is there a limit to how many facelifts Joan Rivers can have? How many stomach staples are permitted to Chris Christy? Should there be?
No face lifts should not be limited, not stomach staples, nor burn grafts, nor abortions.



Limit abortions by obviating them, I say. Make birth control easy, cheap and accessible and the abortions for anything other than health of the woman disappear entirely.... IN TWELVE WEEKS.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Abortions should be limited, shouldn't be a method of consistent birth control for an individual,

Why?
Just out of curiosity. Why shouldn't women be able to use that as birth control. The risks are to her and between her and her doctor.

I meant as far as common use as birth control for an individual. It is an invasive procedure and isn't exactly something people should subject themselves to very often.

Is there a limit to how many facelifts Joan Rivers can have?

She's dead, so probably no more than one or two more.

How many stomach staples are permitted to Chris Christy? Should there be?
No face lifts should not be limited, not stomach staples, nor burn grafts, nor abortions.

I didn't mean to imply there should be a regulated number, just that it should be encouraged to not be a primary birth control solution in lieu of alternative methods lke the pill, condoms, or prayer circles.

 

[funinspace]

Why not just offer all of those AND abortion.

Read the title. 50% of Americans are pro life. Would you compromise with them?

The term pro-Life is akin to a greased pig. Sure roughly 50% seem to like that label, but what does it all mean? By this Gallup Poll site, we can see that only 21% of American would fully ban abortion. Just as a somewhat greater minority (28%) would have no restrictions. Then there is the big fuzzy middle, 50%, which say it should be “Legal only under certain circumstances”
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx

Here the kicker, with a good question about half way down:

thinking more generally, do you think abortion should generally be legal or generally illegal during each of the following stages of pregnancy. How about –

61% said it should be legal in the first 3 months
27% said it should be legal in the second 3 months, with 5% more saying “it depends”, and 4% with no opinion.

Personally, I would be ok with abortion restrictions after the fetus is 22-26 weeks old, that is somewhere around the point where it becomes viable outside the womb. And that seems pretty close to where the shift in polling probably occurs, if they asked the right questions.