Your social media outrage didn’t save the white rhino in South Africa, assholes like Walt Palmer did.

[Loren Pechtel]

No experienced hunter should be that stupid.

Does anyone know how far Cecil was lured outside of the park before Palmer shot him? Initial reports indicated he was only about 100m from the boundary, but I can't find anything reliable.

Also, it's been reported that the bait used to lure Cecil was a dead animal the hunters tied to a vehicle. The hunters, or perhaps just the guides, drove inside the park and left a scent trail leading right to the killing ground. Was the animal tied to a fender and dribbling blood, or was it being dragged behind the car?

I'm thinking Palmer could see the Hwange National Park boundary from where he waited, could see the tire tracks and drag marks coming from the park, and see the lion was coming out of the park to investigate the bait. I'm thinking Palmer knew exactly what his guides had done in order to provide him with the opportunity to kill a lion.

And there's a marker all along the national park boundary? Around here I've only seen markers where a road enters a national park, there's no boundary marking other than that. Thus if you are offroad nothing but a GPS will tell you and that only if you know to look for the boundary.

 

[laughing dog]

Does anyone know how far Cecil was lured outside of the park before Palmer shot him? Initial reports indicated he was only about 100m from the boundary, but I can't find anything reliable.

Also, it's been reported that the bait used to lure Cecil was a dead animal the hunters tied to a vehicle. The hunters, or perhaps just the guides, drove inside the park and left a scent trail leading right to the killing ground. Was the animal tied to a fender and dribbling blood, or was it being dragged behind the car?

I'm thinking Palmer could see the Hwange National Park boundary from where he waited, could see the tire tracks and drag marks coming from the park, and see the lion was coming out of the park to investigate the bait. I'm thinking Palmer knew exactly what his guides had done in order to provide him with the opportunity to kill a lion.

And there's a marker all along the national park boundary? Around here I've only seen markers where a road enters a national park, there's no boundary marking other than that. Thus if you are offroad nothing but a GPS will tell you and that only if you know to look for the boundary.

And these excuses are relevant because experienced hunters simply wander around strange places shooting whatever comes their way?

 

[ZiprHead]

That tells him the direction. It doesn't tell him that it came from a reserve.

No experienced hunter should be that stupid.

He's probably not an experienced hunter. He's an experienced killer. He hires hunters to get him to his kills.

 

[rousseau]

I remember hearing a similar argument a while back about domesticating a certain kind of buffalo for meat. The domestication kept the buffalo from extinction and was considered a net positive according to the article I was reading.

Where the logic fails is that extinction is only a bad thing in the context of bio-diversity. In the long-run bio-diversity is a net benefit for ecosystems. From a moralistic point of view, however, an animal is better off extinct than in domestication, or as a constantly hunted trophy.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And there's a marker all along the national park boundary? Around here I've only seen markers where a road enters a national park, there's no boundary marking other than that. Thus if you are offroad nothing but a GPS will tell you and that only if you know to look for the boundary.

And these excuses are relevant because experienced hunters simply wander around strange places shooting whatever comes their way?

Shooting what the guide said was the animal he was after.

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No experienced hunter should be that stupid.

He's probably not an experienced hunter. He's an experienced killer. He hires hunters to get him to his kills.

Seconded.

 

[laughing dog]

And these excuses are relevant because experienced hunters simply wander around strange places shooting whatever comes their way?

Shooting what the guide said was the animal he was after.

Completely irrelevant to the issue of luring an animal out of a preserve by an experienced hunter. I realize you are willing to say anything to justify the shooting of an African, but at least make a case that is remotely relevant.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Shooting what the guide said was the animal he was after.

Completely irrelevant to the issue of luring an animal out of a preserve by an experienced hunter. I realize you are willing to say anything to justify the shooting of an African, but at least make a case that is remotely relevant.

There's no question there was major wrongdoing. I'm just not convinced that he knew there was wrongdoing.

 

[laughing dog]

Completely irrelevant to the issue of luring an animal out of a preserve by an experienced hunter. I realize you are willing to say anything to justify the shooting of an African, but at least make a case that is remotely relevant.

There's no question there was major wrongdoing. I'm just not convinced that he knew there was wrongdoing.

Real hunters know that luring trophy animals out of preserves is not hunting. And ignorance of the law is no excuse.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

There's no question there was major wrongdoing. I'm just not convinced that he knew there was wrongdoing.

Real hunters know that luring trophy animals out of preserves is not hunting. And ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Error: Conclusion assumed in argument.

You still haven't shown that he knew the lion was lured out of a preserve.

 

[laughing dog]

Real hunters know that luring trophy animals out of preserves is not hunting. And ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Error: Conclusion assumed in argument.

You still haven't shown that he knew the lion was lured out of a preserve.

I don't have to show anything. His party (which includes him) set lures near a preserve. It is his responsibility to know what he is doing. Ignorance is no excuse for his behavior.