Zbigniew Brzezinski is dead

[Horatio Parker]

Good for you.

Don't take no shit from nobody...

So, no links from 1980s?

Archives aren't free. Hook me up with access, and I'll take a look.

Until then, you're on your own.

 

[barbos]

So, no links from 1980s?

Archives aren't free. Hook me up with access, and I'll take a look.

Until then, you're on your own.

I am confused. First you made a claim, then I clarified what you actually claimed, then you backed off, and now you are repeat that claim but refuse to back it up with links.
Makes no sense to me.

 

[Horatio Parker]

Archives aren't free. Hook me up with access, and I'll take a look.

Until then, you're on your own.

I am confused. First you made a claim, then I clarified what you actually claimed, then you backed off, and now you are repeat that claim but refuse to back it up with links.
Makes no sense to me.

I never claimed that Carter's secret order with the possibility of a Soviet Vietnam was in the papers at the time. The stories I read appeared after the Soviet invasion. My point was that the American hope for a Soviet quagmire was common knowledge as a result of the invasion. Sure Carter and Co. were aware first.

 

[barbos]

I am confused. First you made a claim, then I clarified what you actually claimed, then you backed off, and now you are repeat that claim but refuse to back it up with links.
Makes no sense to me.

I never claimed that Carter's secret order with the possibility of a Soviet Vietnam was in the papers at the time. The stories I read appeared after the Soviet invasion. My point was that the American hope for a Soviet quagmire was common knowledge as a result of the invasion. Sure Carter and Co. were aware first.

You claimed that what I posted was known to the public in 1980s. It seems to me you now admit that it is not the case.
So you should officially retract you claim and we can forget about it.

 

[Horatio Parker]

I never claimed that Carter's secret order with the possibility of a Soviet Vietnam was in the papers at the time. The stories I read appeared after the Soviet invasion. My point was that the American hope for a Soviet quagmire was common knowledge as a result of the invasion. Sure Carter and Co. were aware first.

You claimed that what I posted was known to the public in 1980s. It seems to me you now admit that it is not the case.
So you should officially retract you claim and we can forget about it.

I've clarified my post.

You can't have a quagmire without an invader. Brezezinski said they knew aiding the rebels would increase the odds of Soviet intervention.

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?

Brzezinski: It isn’t quite that. We didn’t push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

 

[barbos]

You claimed that what I posted was known to the public in 1980s. It seems to me you now admit that it is not the case.
So you should officially retract you claim and we can forget about it.

I've clarified my post.

You can't have a quagmire without an invader. Brezezinski said they knew aiding the rebels would increase the odds of Soviet intervention.

And he said it publicly in 1999, not in 1979. I don't really understand why you continue with this.

 

[Horatio Parker]

I've clarified my post.

You can't have a quagmire without an invader. Brezezinski said they knew aiding the rebels would increase the odds of Soviet intervention.

And he said it publicly in 1999, not in 1979. I don't really understand why you continue with this.

My continuity is your fantasy.

Dream on.

 

[untermensche]

I sure do smell alternative facts here.

It reeks.

 

[J842P]

I sure do smell alternative facts here.

It reeks.

Huh?

 

[untermensche]

I sure do smell alternative facts here.

It reeks.

Huh?

This is alternative history.

The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan had nothing to do with any external forces.

They did it for the same reason the US invaded South Vietnam and Iraq.

To try to establish a government that was controllable.

And all three invasions were done with the same naive belief it would be easy.