Climate Change(d)?

[bilby]

Who benefits from repetitious t climate denial messaging across the web?

coal
natural gas
oil
politicians
Russia

Saudi Arabia
Texas
...

 

[TSwizzle]

Who benefits from repetitious t climate denial messaging across the web?

coal
natural gas
oil
politicians
Russia

“climate denial”? LOL.

Everyone benefits from cheap abundant energy Steve. Everyone.

 

[pood]

Who benefits from repetitious t climate denial messaging across the web?

coal
natural gas
oil
politicians
Russia

“climate denial”? LOL.

Everyone benefits from cheap abundant energy Steve. Everyone.

Were you planning to respond to my post #615 and retract your false claim that all climate-change predictions have been “spectacularly wrong“?

Now, in your latest post, you set up a red herring. Yes, everyone benefits from cheap abundant energy, provided that such energy isn’t destablizing the climate to dangerous levels, which fossil fuels are. That fossil are doing this is not an opinion, it is a fact. Why the diversionary tactic?

 

[steve_bank]

Who benefits from repetitious t climate denial messaging across the web?

coal
natural gas
oil
politicians
Russia

“climate denial”? LOL.

Everyone benefits from cheap abundant energy Steve. Everyone.

Yes. Cheap gasoline was a big part of the American post war economic growth.

That was then not today .Shold we go back to the 19th century?

I remnber smog in the NYC area before pollution controls and emissions standards on cars. On a bad day in La with clear skies visiblity might only have been a mile. People suffered from pollution related lung disease. Eye damage as well.

In the 90s I lived for a while in the North Idaho Silver Valley known for silver mining.

I was there when the smoke stack for the old Bunker smelter was blown down. The entire top soil of Kellog Idaho had to be scraped up due to aresnic caontaminaton. Older people who grew up there told me there were steams you dd not swim in, it burned your skin. The lake bed of Lake Coeur D'Alene is toxic.

Only an ideological ignorant fool thinks we can continue as we have.

Can you answer the quetions or do you give up?

Without wtaer yiu last around 3 days. Without food maybe a month or more if you have water. Do you think water comes from a faucet and food from a grocery store?

Yu mist not b paying attention to reporting on water and agriclture estimates.

Reducing everything to profit and free markets will lead to systemic failure based in rigid ideology much as the Soviets failed by adhering to an ideology that did not work.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Oh noes, the climate apocalypse cometh!!

Bryan Hill runs the public power utility in Page, Arizona, where the federal dam is located, and likens the situation to judgment day.

It really, really is a rapture like cult. There’s no other way to describe it when you read nonsense like that.

You get water from there. It's going to bite.

 

[TSwizzle]

I think that all grass watering should be banned, with the possible exception of when seeding a new area. But, I think it would be much better if we stopped putting grass in our yards and instead used natural flora that needs little attention.

Here in Southern California the era of the lawn in people’s yards is on the way out. I have started to eliminate my front lawn and will replace with a mixture of hard scape and CA native plants that require little water. I’ll keep some sprinklers for the backyard which is a small area and I grow herbs and peppers.

 

[Swammerdami]

Who benefits from repetitious t climate denial messaging across the web?

coal
natural gas
oil
politicians
Russia

America has a a political Party — I call it QOPAnon — whose policy is to bombard Americans with lies. Gullible nitwits who deny the reality of climate change are eager to assume that voices of reason are wrong about other subjects as well. For example, the same nitwits who deny climate change also endorse the lies that top Democrats are child sex traffickers. This despite that a top Republican, Matt Gaetz, actually IS a child sex trafficker.

Obama was born in Kenya; Hillary runs a brothel in the basement of a pizzeria; the Election was stolen; AGW is a myth. The lies are ceaseless; rational voices are forced to play Whack-a-Mole and can't keep up with the lies.

Many QOPAnoners are smart enough to realize these are lies. (Some are not, as we see in this thread.) But they end up assuming ALL news is a lie, whether they see it on InfoWars or read it in the New York Times. With all information suspect in their view, they'll disregard ALL policy matters when they vote and just choose whoever seems to hate the same people they hate.

And these gullible idiots are so common in today's America that QOPAnon will probably take over Congress this November. When a history book is written decades from now, this tragic era will be called The Idiotocracy.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Here in Southern California the era of the lawn in people’s yards is on the way out. I have started to eliminate my front lawn lawn and will replace with a mixture of hard scape and CA native plants that require little water. I’ll keep some sprinklers for the backyard which is a small area and I grow herbs and peppers.

So you woke up one day to learn that lawns are on the way out? Marvelous!

 

[TSwizzle]

Here in Southern California the era of the lawn in people’s yards is on the way out. I have started to eliminate my front lawn lawn and will replace with a mixture of hard scape and CA native plants that require little water. I’ll keep some sprinklers for the backyard which is a small area and I grow herbs and peppers.

So you woke up one day to learn that lawns are on the way out? Marvelous!

No, I was never asleep on the subject.

 

[steve_bank]

Who benefits from repetitious t climate denial messaging across the web?

coal
natural gas
oil
politicians
Russia

America has a a political Party — I call it QOPAnon — whose policy is to bombard Americans with lies. Gullible nitwits who deny the reality of climate change are eager to assume that voices of reason are wrong about other subjects as well. For example, the same nitwits who deny climate change also endorse the lies that top Democrats are child sex traffickers. This despite that a top Republican, Matt Gaetz, actually IS a child sex trafficker.

Obama was born in Kenya; Hillary runs a brothel in the basement of a pizzeria; the Election was stolen; AGW is a myth. The lies are ceaseless; rational voices are forced to play Whack-a-Mole and can't keep up with the lies.

Many QOPAnoners are smart enough to realize these are lies. (Some are not, as we see in this thread.) But they end up assuming ALL news is a lie, whether they see it on InfoWars or read it in the New York Times. With all information suspect in their view, they'll disregard ALL policy matters when they vote and just choose whoever seems to hate the same people they hate.

And these gullible idiots are so common in today's America that QOPAnon will probably take over Congress this November. When a history book is written decades from now, this tragic era will be called The Idiotocracy.

Yes, we Americans are gullible. Certainly not like the Brits, French, and Canadians.

 

[steve_bank]

Here in Southern California the era of the lawn in people’s yards is on the way out. I have started to eliminate my front lawn lawn and will replace with a mixture of hard scape and CA native plants that require little water. I’ll keep some sprinklers for the backyard which is a small area and I grow herbs and peppers.

So you woke up one day to learn that lawns are on the way out? Marvelous!

No, I was never asleep on the subject.

Gosh, I thought the Ca water shortage was all hype as predicted and never happened. Silly me. I thought there is no limit to water consumption.

 

[Swammerdami]

Increasing jellyfish population, or biomass, is a side-effect of global warming. A 1-degree rise in ocean temperature is enough to tip the balance between fish and jellyfish. (For the first time studied, total jellyfish biomass exceeds total fish biomass?) Should we discuss that?

In 2007, mauve stinger jellyfish stung and asphyxiated more than 100,000 farmed salmon off the coast of Ireland as aquaculturists on a boat watched in horror. The jelly swarm reportedly was 35 feet deep and covered ten square miles.

First, let's admit that rising ocean temperature is just one of several reasons (albeit most important) for the jelly bloom booms. Also contributing are rising acidity, reduced competition and predation due to overfishing, pollution from plastics, fertilizers, etc., and high growth rates due to the phylum's "swinging from both trees": jellies engage in both sexual and asexual reproduction. I read that from 2000 to 2005 jellies netted or landed through the Tsushima Strait increased hugely. (And a survey of Malaysia shows that leatherback turtles — major predator of jellyfish declined from 3100 female turtles in 1968 to just 2 females in 1996.)

IIUC, models suggest that once jellies take over it will be hard for fish to stage a come-back. Jellies have far more body designs than fish have, and can optimize for various niches better than the rigid-body fish.. We are already watching evolution [of bloom booming jellyfish] in real-time!

But what are the real numbers? The correct prediction? Are jellyfish figures exaggerated? Will replacement of fish with jellies IMPROVE the human condition anyway, as chefs design jellyfish steak, jellyfish salad, etc.?

Jellyfish booms coincide with fluctuations in El Nino, etc.

The 1998 El Nino peak, and the positive El Nino 2001-2006 correspond to the jelly booms I noticed Googling.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I also live in a cold wet region where flooding is common. It never ceases to amaze me that a person's idea of "emergency" water usage is to water the grass only once a week. That shows how dangerously and insanely and cluelessly accustomed someone can get to actual reality. Watering grass while there is a genuine crisis in availability? Holy fuck are people out of touch!

I've always thought watering the grass was a silly waste of water and the midwest has no water shortage.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Increasing jellyfish population, or biomass, is a side-effect of global warming. A 1-degree rise in ocean temperature is enough to tip the balance between fish and jellyfish. (For the first time studied, total jellyfish biomass exceeds total fish biomass?) Should we discuss that?

In 2007, mauve stinger jellyfish stung and asphyxiated more than 100,000 farmed salmon off the coast of Ireland as aquaculturists on a boat watched in horror. The jelly swarm reportedly was 35 feet deep and covered ten square miles.

First, let's admit that rising ocean temperature is just one of several reasons (albeit most important) for the jelly bloom booms. Also contributing are rising acidity, reduced competition and predation due to overfishing, pollution from plastics, fertilizers, etc., and high growth rates due to the phylum's "swinging from both trees": jellies engage in both sexual and asexual reproduction. I read that from 2000 to 2005 jellies netted or landed through the Tsushima Strait increased hugely. (And a survey of Malaysia shows that leatherback turtles — major predator of jellyfish declined from 3100 female turtles in 1968 to just 2 females in 1996.)

If the atmosphere isn't the canary in the coalmine, the oceans are. Temp, acidity, currents, they have a massive impact on our environment (food, ecology, temperature, sea level). Changes to these things are not simple. The amount of energy required to heat an ocean is absurdly high. If Covid taught us nothing else, it is our global economic and distribution system is built on a status quo / little give arrangement. If things shift, it will be difficult to adapt fast enough.

We'll survive, but it won't be fun and there will be a lot of whining... and the people who said climate change was a cultish idea will just say climate change was fait accompli.

 

[pood]

We'll survive, but it won't be fun and there will be a lot of whining... and the people who said climate change was a cultish idea will just say climate change was fait accompli.

Right-wing, Trump-loving kooks who said that climate change was a cultish idea and a liberal plot to impose One World Government or whatever those loons think will seamlessly shift gears when climate change reaches horrendous proportions. They’ll say liberals were to blame for it, and climate change is God’s vengenace for critical race theory, “wokeism,” transgenderism, and same-sex marriage. Guranteed. And the idiots who follow people like Tucker Carlson will lap it up as they flee to higher ground and cooler climes.

 

[southernhybrid]

I found an excellent article that was written about a year ago, that answers most questions about climate change. It explains everything in detail, including why parts of the world are getting colder while others are getting much hotter etc. I don't know if it will convince a denialist, but it helped me understand some things that I hadn't considered before.

Of course, people my age aren't the ones who will be impacted by the worst effects of climate change, but some of us are concerned about those who come after us, so we're willing to make some changes. And, even a denialist should understand that air pollution is still a big problem, so one would think that if nothing else, most everyone would want cleaner air, and a healthier future.

It's a very long article. To be honest, I'm not optimistic that the world will agree on what needs to be done, but it's good to at least understand what's happening, imo.

https://www.nytimes.com/article/cli...nL9o2qXfoIgjowQ9QEm8tzdRrCR5kw&smid=url-share

 

[steve_bank]

Most people probably fo not consciously realize our atmosphere is a thin shell around the Earth. Above 10,000 feet about 2 miles oxygen starts to get scarce.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Most people probably fo not consciously realize our atmosphere is a thin shell around the Earth. Above 10,000 feet about 2 miles oxygen starts to get scarce.

Yeah. I fare well with altitude and in the summer I'm frequently above 10k without an issue--but it certainly makes a difference in how fast I can go. That final ascent to the Mt. Charleston summit doesn't look steep--but the summit is just below 12k, you really feel it!

 

[Swammerdami]

Yeah. I fare well with altitude and in the summer I'm frequently above 10k without an issue--but it certainly makes a difference in how fast I can go. That final ascent to the Mt. Charleston summit doesn't look steep--but the summit is just below 12k, you really feel it!

Wow, and congratulations!

These days I don't even like to climb staircases unless there's a hand-rail to hold on to.

 

[steve_bank]

Yeah. I fare well with altitude and in the summer I'm frequently above 10k without an issue--but it certainly makes a difference in how fast I can go. That final ascent to the Mt. Charleston summit doesn't look steep--but the summit is just below 12k, you really feel it!

Wow, and congratulations!

These days I don't even like to climb staircases unless there's a hand-rail to hold on to.

Take it one step at a time.....