Roe v Wade is on deck

[Trausti]

The crux of the problem IS in what a diligence may be between fetus and baby.

Killing a late term fetus in the womb and killing a delivered baby after cutting the chord,, is there a moral difference?

Europeans, who are said to be more progressive than US Americans, have stricter abortion laws. I'd guess that most Americans would support European-type abortion laws. The problem is Roe arrogated that debate from the people. The Court shouldn't be deciding moral questions.

So do you want to join the conversation and provide ideas as to what you think, or are you just going to continue to meddle?

I’m okay with what most of Europe does. It’s limited to 12-13 weeks, with some exceptions. Hell, you could probably get a supermajority of Americans to go along with that. Ironically, the Alabama law that set this up limited abortion to 15 weeks. The far-lefties should have let that be. Instead, the abortion-at-any-time folks were in the driver seat. Most people find that to be ghoulish.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Killing babies isn't legal in any state. If you can't tell the difference between a fetus and a baby, that'd just be another thing to toss on the pile of "Stuff Trausti doesn't understand."

If a child is born premature at 30 weeks and the mother/some crazy fucker kills it, that's murder. But if an abortionist sucks the brains from a 30-week fetus, that's healthcare.

Abortions performed at 30 weeks on are almost exclusively due to a severe abnormality and/or substantial danger to the mother. It is really the only reason a doctor would perform an abortion that late.

And for you to take such situations as lightly and for political points as you have, in cases where parents that want a child are tragically about to lose the opportunity here to have a child is rather disgusting.

 

[Trausti]

Killing babies isn't legal in any state. If you can't tell the difference between a fetus and a baby, that'd just be another thing to toss on the pile of "Stuff Trausti doesn't understand."

If a child is born premature at 30 weeks and the mother/some crazy fucker kills it, that's murder. But if an abortionist sucks the brains from a 30-week fetus, that's healthcare.

Abortions performed at 30 weeks on are almost exclusively due to a severe abnormality and/or substantial danger to the mother. It is really the only reason a doctor would perform an abortion that late.

And for you to take such situations as lightly and for political points as you have, in cases where parents that want a child are tragically about to lose the opportunity here to have a child is rather disgusting.

Huh? Because late-term abortions are not common, it made no sense to challenge the Alabama law.

 

[blastula]

If women are now acknowledged to exist, it's of interest to note that there is little difference between men and women on the question of abortion.

Abortion Trends by Gender

This page outlines Gallup's long-term trends on Americans' views about abortion by gender.

news.gallup.com

Most people will be supportive or ambivalent if the Court actually overturns Roe.

??? That's not what those numbers say.

And you can just look at polling directly asking about Roe which shows most people (60%+) say they do not want it overturned.

PollingReport.com - Abortion

 

[atrib]

California will still let you kill your baby.

That is a blatant lie. Killing babies is illegal in every state.

 

[Trausti]

If women are now acknowledged to exist, it's of interest to note that there is little difference between men and women on the question of abortion.

Abortion Trends by Gender

This page outlines Gallup's long-term trends on Americans' views about abortion by gender.

news.gallup.com

Most people will be supportive or ambivalent if the Court actually overturns Roe.

??? That's not what those numbers say.

And you can just look at polling directly asking about Roe and most people (60%+) do not want it overturned.

Abortion

Most people do not support abortion through 40 weeks. Support is usually only for the first trimester. Again, challenging the Alabama law was an own goal.

 

[Trausti]

California will still let you kill your baby.

That is a blatant lie. Killing babies is illegal in every state.

A 30 week viable fetus and a 30 week premie.

 

[Trausti]

An absolute own goal.

Opinion | A Hard but Real Compromise Is Possible on Abortion

Public attitudes have barely changed since Roe v. Wade was decided nearly 50 years ago.

www.nytimes.com

 

[blastula]

Most people do not support abortion through 40 weeks. Support is usually only for the first trimester. Again, challenging the Alabama law was an own goal.

40 weeks? Alabama?

What are you talking about?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

If women are now acknowledged to exist, it's of interest to note that there is little difference between men and women on the question of abortion.

Abortion Trends by Gender

This page outlines Gallup's long-term trends on Americans' views about abortion by gender.

news.gallup.com

Most people will be supportive or ambivalent if the Court actually overturns Roe.

??? That's not what those numbers say.

And you can just look at polling directly asking about Roe which shows most people (60%+) say they do not want it overturned.

PollingReport.com - Abortion

Add "reading graphs" to the pile of "Things Trausti doesn't understand".

 

[Trausti]

If women are now acknowledged to exist, it's of interest to note that there is little difference between men and women on the question of abortion.

Abortion Trends by Gender

This page outlines Gallup's long-term trends on Americans' views about abortion by gender.

news.gallup.com

Most people will be supportive or ambivalent if the Court actually overturns Roe.

??? That's not what those numbers say.

And you can just look at polling directly asking about Roe and most people (60%+) do not want it overturned.

Abortion

Most people do not support abortion through 40 weeks. Support is usually only for the first trimester. Again, challenging the Alabama law was an own goal.

40 weeks? Alabama?

What are you talking about?

So you also feel abortion beyond the first trimester is ghoulish?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Killing babies isn't legal in any state. If you can't tell the difference between a fetus and a baby, that'd just be another thing to toss on the pile of "Stuff Trausti doesn't understand."

If a child is born premature at 30 weeks and the mother/some crazy fucker kills it, that's murder. But if an abortionist sucks the brains from a 30-week fetus, that's healthcare.

Abortions performed at 30 weeks on are almost exclusively due to a severe abnormality and/or substantial danger to the mother. It is really the only reason a doctor would perform an abortion that late.

And for you to take such situations as lightly and for political points as you have, in cases where parents that want a child are tragically about to lose the opportunity here to have a child is rather disgusting.

Huh? Because late-term abortions are not common, it made no sense to challenge the Alabama law.

Mississippi Law... 15 weeks. May I have what you are smoking?

 

[Trausti]

If women are now acknowledged to exist, it's of interest to note that there is little difference between men and women on the question of abortion.

Abortion Trends by Gender

This page outlines Gallup's long-term trends on Americans' views about abortion by gender.

news.gallup.com

Most people will be supportive or ambivalent if the Court actually overturns Roe.

??? That's not what those numbers say.

And you can just look at polling directly asking about Roe which shows most people (60%+) say they do not want it overturned.

PollingReport.com - Abortion

Add "reading graphs" to the pile of "Things Trausti doesn't understand".

Again, most people do not support abortion beyond the first trimester.

 

[blastula]

40 weeks? Alabama?

What are you talking about?

So you also feel abortion beyond the first trimester is ghoulish?

What does Alabama and 40 weeks have to do with overturning Roe?

 

[Trausti]

Killing babies isn't legal in any state. If you can't tell the difference between a fetus and a baby, that'd just be another thing to toss on the pile of "Stuff Trausti doesn't understand."

If a child is born premature at 30 weeks and the mother/some crazy fucker kills it, that's murder. But if an abortionist sucks the brains from a 30-week fetus, that's healthcare.

Abortions performed at 30 weeks on are almost exclusively due to a severe abnormality and/or substantial danger to the mother. It is really the only reason a doctor would perform an abortion that late.

And for you to take such situations as lightly and for political points as you have, in cases where parents that want a child are tragically about to lose the opportunity here to have a child is rather disgusting.

Huh? Because late-term abortions are not common, it made no sense to challenge the Alabama law.

Mississippi Law... 15 weeks. I can have what you are smoking?

Whoops. Ya got me there. Often confuse the two. But the Mississippi law is 15 weeks.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

If women are now acknowledged to exist, it's of interest to note that there is little difference between men and women on the question of abortion.

Abortion Trends by Gender

This page outlines Gallup's long-term trends on Americans' views about abortion by gender.

news.gallup.com

Most people will be supportive or ambivalent if the Court actually overturns Roe.

??? That's not what those numbers say.

And you can just look at polling directly asking about Roe which shows most people (60%+) say they do not want it overturned.

PollingReport.com - Abortion

Add "reading graphs" to the pile of "Things Trausti doesn't understand".

Again, most people do not support abortion beyond the first trimester.

Again? You cited a chart indicated women support abortion at over 4 to 1 (men just shy of 4 to 1). It doesn't say anything about first trimester. You'll need another chart, but you'd need to be able to understand it first to know if it supports what you are claiming.

 

[Trausti]

So you also feel abortion beyond the first trimester is ghoulish?

What does Alabama and 40 weeks have to do with overturning Roe?

Yes, I confused MS and AL. But abortion throughout pregnancy is supported by few people.

 

[Trausti]

If women are now acknowledged to exist, it's of interest to note that there is little difference between men and women on the question of abortion.

Abortion Trends by Gender

This page outlines Gallup's long-term trends on Americans' views about abortion by gender.

news.gallup.com

Most people will be supportive or ambivalent if the Court actually overturns Roe.

??? That's not what those numbers say.

And you can just look at polling directly asking about Roe which shows most people (60%+) say they do not want it overturned.

PollingReport.com - Abortion

Add "reading graphs" to the pile of "Things Trausti doesn't understand".

Again, most people do not support abortion beyond the first trimester.

Again? You cited a chart indicated women support abortion at over 4 to 1 (men just shy of 4 to 1). It doesn't say anything about first trimester. You'll need another chart, but you'd need to be able to understand it first to know if it supports what you are claiming.

There’s the NYT link just above.

 

[Elixir]

You add justices, it ends

Why didn’t it “end” when it was done before?

When did that happen? It's been set at 9 justices since 1869.

You seemed to have answered your own question.

Democracy ended in 1869?

Oh ffs!

Do you not agree that the GOP will stuff judges on SCOTUS after the Dems do it, making it a rubber stamp for partisan policies?

Oh, I think they will. Here we agree Jimmy. Here we agree.

I agree as well. What mystifies me is Jimmy’s assumption that they won’t do it the first time they have the legislature and a centrist or leftist court. The Gorsuch and Barrett charades demonstrate their utter disregard for their own stated principles, let alone for examples set by Democrats. Refraining from fixing it isn’t going to make them any more or less eager or willing to break it again, or to keep it broken as it is.

 

[Trausti]

Americans' Support For Abortion Rights Wanes As Pregnancy Progresses

A new Gallup poll finds widespread support for abortion rights in early pregnancy, while a minority support abortion rights in the third trimester.

www.npr.org

Gallup finds that 60 percent of Americans believe abortion generally should be legal during the first three months of pregnancy, known as the first trimester. That support drops by more than half, to 28 percent, once a pregnancy reaches the second trimester; it falls to 13 percent in the third trimester, at which point the fetus is often viablewith medical support.