prideandfall
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- highly anti-religious agnostic
why does that matter?Every one of those aborted fetal children had a father. Where the hell is he?
why does he need to keep it in his pants? there's a perfectly viable option to prevent a negative outcome, so what difference does it make?Why isn't he supporting the mother and his child? If he's incapable of that, he needs to keep it in his pants.
i mean not to be too reductive about it, but this argument basically suggests that prior to RvW no man ever exhibited irresponsible, even abusive, sexual behavior.A big part of the problem I have with RvW is the way it gets men off the hook for irresponsible, even abusive, sexual behavior. Whether he thinks it through this far or not, RvW enables him to dismiss the consequences of his choices.
if that's what you think the history of the human race is like, boy howdy do i have a big shocker for you.
except that this is predicated on the notion that the 'worst outcome' is an abortion, which is most certainly is not.As long as "Well the worst outcome is she needs to get an abortion, I don't even have to be there. It's all on her. Her Choice." of course men are going to behave badly. We always have(as a group, not all of us).
the 'worst outcome' in any pregnancy is that it results in a child being born, so anything that stops that is a net positive.
did you know... that most doctors or medical facilities in the US will outright *refuse* to tie a woman's tubes or something if she's under 40 and hasn't had children yet?Maybe people who make babies that they aren't willing and able to properly care for ought to get their tubes tied or something. But certainly not just women.
Tom
there is literally no option for women to ensure sterilization because there is such a ridiculous expectation in our culture that females are ambulatory fetus incubators that an entire medical establishment will you just tell you to go fuck yourself if you try to assert your lack of interest in being one.