Rape victim ordered to pay her abuser child support

[TomC]

No, I know the difference between a 16 year old girl and a full grown woman.

Which go to bars, drink, and leave with dudes?
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

No, I know the difference between a 16 year old girl and a full grown woman.

Which go to bars, drink, and leave with dudes?
Tom

Pro tip - doubling down on rape apologia does not work.

 

[Derec]

No, I know the difference between a 16 year old girl and a full grown woman.

What does a "full grown woman" mean to you? 21? 25? 30?
If it was up to you what would you set the age of consent as?

So does the state of Louisiana.

State of Louisiana thinks "full grown woman" for the purposes of sex is 17. This woman was less than a year below that somewhat arbitrary cutoff.

The fact that you do not is disgusting.

Is the State of Georgia disgusting? What about Canada, UK and most of Australia?

 

[TomC]

No, I know the difference between a 16 year old girl and a full grown woman.

Which go to bars, drink, and leave with dudes?
Tom

Pro tip - doubling down on rape apologia does not work.

Nor does repeating the term "rape apologia" make it any more accurate.

Remember me, Tom the Prude?
Tom

 

[Derec]

Pro tip - doubling down on rape apologia does not work.

It's not "rape apologia". It's recognizing that there is a difference between rape and consensual sex below a cutoff age.

 

[ZiprHead]

The documents were unsealed in Tangipahoa Parish Wednesday evening and detail a years-long custody process beginning in 2011 when John Barnes found out he had a daughter with Crysta Abelseth.

In April 2013, Barnes began paying Abelseth $428 in child support for the daughter he fathered after a night of drinking. In July 2015, Crysta filed a police report for the 2005 rape that led to her daughter’s birth with the Tangipahoa Parish Sheriffs Office. That report sat on their shelf and was not assigned to a detective for seven years.

In August 2015, Judge Jeffrey Cashe was assigned the case.

Six months after Cashe took over the case, a split-custody agreement was reached, and he ordered Abelseth to pay $78.41 to Barnes increasing to $117.72 per month the following year.

Four years went by and nothing happened in the court record. Then, in December 2020, Barnes filed a motion to modify custody alleging his daughter is allowed to be unsupervised with her boyfriend in Abelseth’s home.

In January 2021, the child’s school counselor notified DCFS as a mandatory reporter that the child alleged Barnes physically and mentally abused her. Abelseth requested that Barnes custody be limited. Judge Cashe denied that motion.

By November, Barnes filed motions to have Abelseth held in contempt over a cell phone.

On Feb. 2, 2022, Cashe found Abelseth in contempt over the phone and ordered her to pay $500. Abelseth was instructed not to provide her daughter with a cell phone.

That same month— court records note for the first time that the child was conceived from a rape. It’s also alleged that Barnes drugged and sexually assaulted his daughter on Feb. 21, 2022 and Feb. 22, 2022.

“She was transported to New Orleans where she was evaluated and the doctor confirmed that there was evidence of forced entry congruent with sexual assault,” the document reads.

On March 18, 2022, Judge Cashe dismisses all of Abelseth’s claims saying all criminal charges have not been accepted and the evidence does not support the allegations made by the daughter.

Court records were not clear on what evidence led the judge to make his decision. An abuse advocate for Abelseth tells WBRZ the Tangipahoa Parish Sheriff's Office has not cooperated with the family over the location of the daughter's rape kit. The sheriff's office, once again, did not respond to requests for comment Thursday.

Well, the dad sounds like a real piece of work. Anyone else ready to defend him?

In rape paternity dispute, judge awarded child custody to alleged abusive father despite assault complaints

UPDATE: During a hearing Tuesday, Judge Jeffrey Cashe revoked custody of the Crysta Abelseth's daughter from the teen's biological father, John Barnes. A trial is set for July 15 where a final decision on custody will be made.

www.wbrz.com

 

[Toni]

What a disgusting thing to write. She was -6. He was 30.

Negative six? That would be indeed inappropriate. Not to mention physically impossible.

But I assume you meant to write 16 ...

That alone is enough that it was rape.

Not true. Even in states with ages of consent higher than 16 (like LA) there is a difference between "carnal knowledge of a juvenile with consent" and actual rape.

Obviously I meant 16.

In Louisiana, the fact that she was 16 and he was 30 automatically means it was rape. In order for it to be ‘carnal knowledge of a juvenile’ the age difference must be less than 4 years.

That assumes consent. She says she did not consent. That means forcible rape.

Others have opined she was drunk. That means it was rape.

 

[Toni]

No, I know the difference between a 16 year old girl and a full grown woman.

Which go to bars, drink, and leave with dudes?
Tom

Pro tip - doubling down on rape apologia does not work.

Nor does repeating the term "rape apologia" make it any more accurate.

Remember me, Tom the Prude?
Tom

I think you mean Tom the dude who describes himself as a prude as a lane attempt to disguise his rape apologia.

 

[TomC]

No, I know the difference between a 16 year old girl and a full grown woman.

Which go to bars, drink, and leave with dudes?
Tom

Pro tip - doubling down on rape apologia does not work.

Nor does repeating the term "rape apologia" make it any more accurate.

Remember me, Tom the Prude?
Tom

I think you mean Tom the dude who describes himself as a prude as a lane attempt to disguise his rape apologia.

I'm sure you believe that.

 

[Toni]

No, I know the difference between a 16 year old girl and a full grown woman.

What does a "full grown woman" mean to you? 21? 25? 30?
If it was up to you what would you set the age of consent as?

So does the state of Louisiana.

State of Louisiana thinks "full grown woman" for the purposes of sex is 17. This woman was less than a year below that somewhat arbitrary cutoff.

The fact that you do not is disgusting.

Is the State of Georgia disgusting? What about Canada, UK and most of Australia?

Cool story bro but we’re talking about something that happened in Louisiana.

Are you thinking of moving to the Middle East? I hear they have some interesting laws there.

 

[TomC]

Well, the dad sounds like a real piece of work. Anyone else ready to defend him?

Has anyone defended him?

I must have missed that post.

I think he's a sleaze bag.


Also,
If I believed everything I read on the internet I might believe that Trump won the 2020 election.
But I don't.
Tom

 

[Derec]

Well, the dad sounds like a real piece of work. Anyone else ready to defend him?

Seems like all allegations were made as part of a nasty custody fight. Don't make the mistake to assume they are necessarily true.
Where is the evidence?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

"It happened after she left a bar with John Barnes,"

Wait a minute.
Abelseth was drinking in a bar? How did that happen?
She left with some guy. A guy who failed to check her ID.
Seriously?

I'm not condoning any of this whatsoever. Not underage drinking. Not taking a drunk chick home for sleazy sex. Not having a baby at that age. None of it.

But also not the pretense that she's an innocent victim of a predator.
Tom

I bet her skirt was too short also.

Bar implies fake ID and that she probably went looking for sex rather than he seduced her.

 

[Derec]

Cool story bro but we’re talking about something that happened in Louisiana.

So? It's about general principle. You called people "disgusting" for disagreeing with the Louisiana law on this.

And you did not answer my question as to what you would set the age of consent to.

Are you thinking of moving to the Middle East? I hear they have some interesting laws there.

They tend to have very restrictive laws on sex. I reckon you would like it.

 

[TomC]

Well, the dad sounds like a real piece of work. Anyone else ready to defend him?

Seems like all allegations were made as part of a nasty custody fight. Don't make the mistake to assume they are necessarily true.
Where is the evidence?

You know who I really feel sorry for?

The child caught in the shit storm. She had no say in anything, but she can't escape her parents dumbassery either.
Tom

 

[Derec]

In Louisiana, the fact that she was 16 and he was 30 automatically means it was rape.

No it does not. It does mean it's a crime, but it is not considered rape.

In order for it to be ‘carnal knowledge of a juvenile’ the age difference must be less than 4 years.

Wrong.
From the law in question:
"A person who is seventeen years of age or older has sexual intercourse, with consent, with a person who is thirteen years of age or older but less than seventeen years of age, when the victim is not the spouse of the offender and when the difference between the age of the victim and the age of the offender is four years or greater; "

That assumes consent. She says she did not consent. That means forcible rape.

Correct. That is what she alleges. She offered no evidence for that allegation.
And yes, I think consent matters. Which is why I think it is bad policy to consider consensual sex as rape just because one party is below an arbitrary cutoff. It is not considered that in Louisiana, but you would like it to be the case.

Others have opined she was drunk. That means it was rape.

Somebody "opining" something does not make it so. Also, drunk does not necessarily mean that it was rape. Millions of drunk people have consensual sex every day. Especially on the weekends.

 

[Patooka]

I grew up with 4 sisters.

And some of my friends are black. I know what my younger sister would say about me if a ploughed a 16 year old when I was 30. Before, during and after punching me in the face. And I would have deserved it.

The child caught in the shit storm. She had no say in anything, but she can't escape her parents dumbassery either.

Okay. Excellent point. And the other child in this story?

That was a free kick, so I'll clarify. Which do you think is more likely - the 16 year old was making sane rational decisions right from the start and this is just revenge "fuck you", or the 30 is a predatory piece of shit? Because if I'm honest, I think neither example I provided would be remotely accurate, but I would certainly be leaning towards the 30 year old contributing to 70-85% of the shittiness in this story.

 

[Toni]

Well, the dad sounds like a real piece of work. Anyone else ready to defend him?

Seems like all allegations were made as part of a nasty custody fight. Don't make the mistake to assume they are necessarily true.
Where is the evidence?

You know who I really feel sorry for?

The child caught in the shit storm. She had no say in anything, but she can't escape her parents dumbassery either.
Tom

You mean the daughter who is the exact same age as her mother was when her father raped the mother? She’s a vulnerable child at 16 but her mother was not?

 

[TomC]

You mean the daughter who is the exact same age as her mother was when her father raped the mother? She’s a vulnerable child at 16 but her mother was not?

Your ability to misrepresent me, then go on with your strawman bullshit is exhausting.

I said no such thing. I feel bad for her because she's been living in this mess her whole life.

It would be great if scumbags, like her parents, didn't put kids through this crazy crap.
Tom

 

[ZiprHead]

"It happened after she left a bar with John Barnes,"

Wait a minute.
Abelseth was drinking in a bar? How did that happen?
She left with some guy. A guy who failed to check her ID.
Seriously?

I'm not condoning any of this whatsoever. Not underage drinking. Not taking a drunk chick home for sleazy sex. Not having a baby at that age. None of it.

But also not the pretense that she's an innocent victim of a predator.
Tom

I bet her skirt was too short also.

Bar implies fake ID and that she probably went looking for sex rather than he seduced her.