Rape victim ordered to pay her abuser child support

[ZiprHead]

They tend to have very restrictive laws on sex. I reckon you would like it.

Yet here you are supporting a 30 yr old perv who has sex with a sixteen year old.

 

[Rhea]

If I understand this story correctly, 16 y/o daughter decided she wanted to live with her dad.

That’s the second time you’ve said that, but I don’t remember it in the article. Where did you see that?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

"It happened after she left a bar with John Barnes,"

Wait a minute.
Abelseth was drinking in a bar? How did that happen?
She left with some guy. A guy who failed to check her ID.
Seriously?

I'm not condoning any of this whatsoever. Not underage drinking. Not taking a drunk chick home for sleazy sex. Not having a baby at that age. None of it.

But also not the pretense that she's an innocent victim of a predator.
Tom

I bet her skirt was too short also.

Bar implies fake ID and that she probably went looking for sex rather than he seduced her.

Bar implies drinking not sex.

 

[laughing dog]

Well, the dad sounds like a real piece of work. Anyone else ready to defend him?

Seems like all allegations were made as part of a nasty custody fight. Don't make the mistake to assume they are necessarily true.
Where is the evidence?

You know who I really feel sorry for?

The child caught in the shit storm. She had no say in anything, but she can't escape her parents dumbassery either.
Tom

Nor the dumbassery of judgmental rape apologists around the internet.

For someone who routinely counsels others that there is relevant missing information, you are sure ready to jump to conclusions about this woman.

 

[laughing dog]

"It happened after she left a bar with John Barnes,"

Wait a minute.
Abelseth was drinking in a bar? How did that happen?
She left with some guy. A guy who failed to check her ID.
Seriously?

I'm not condoning any of this whatsoever. Not underage drinking. Not taking a drunk chick home for sleazy sex. Not having a baby at that age. None of it.

But also not the pretense that she's an innocent victim of a predator.
Tom

I bet her skirt was too short also.

Bar implies fake ID and that she probably went looking for sex rather than he seduced her.

Doesn't matter - she was too young for him according to LA law.

 

[Toni]

You mean the daughter who is the exact same age as her mother was when her father raped the mother? She’s a vulnerable child at 16 but her mother was not?

Your ability to misrepresent me, then go on with your strawman bullshit is exhausting.

I said no such thing. I feel bad for her because she's been living in this mess her whole life.

It would be great if scumbags, like her parents, didn't put kids through this crazy crap.
Tom

You mean the sixteen year old who was raped by a 30 year old? Or the now 16 year old daughter resulting from that rape?

Why is one sixteen year old worthy of your sympathy and the other not? Did rape make her too dirty?

 

[Derec]

Yet here you are supporting a 30 yr old perv who has sex with a sixteen year old.

I am not "supporting" him. I have no idea what happened.
I am just saying that
a) consensual sex with a 16 year old is not the same as "rape"
b) just because a woman claims rape as part of a nasty custody fight does not mean she is telling the truth

 

[Derec]

You mean the sixteen year old who was raped by a 30 year old?

Allegedly.

 

[Derec]

Doesn't matter - she was too young for him according to LA law.

 

[Arctish]

You mean the sixteen year old who was raped by a 30 year old?

Allegedly.

Indisputably.

The DNA test results are known and so is the daughter's age.

A 30 year old man definitely committed statutory rape and may have also committed forcible rape when he had non-consensual sex with a someone under the legal age to give consent and perhaps was also physically unable to due to being intoxicated. I realize you are trying to come up with a credible argument to defend him but there is no way the guy is the innocent victim here.

Also, what's this about his teenaged daughter not being allowed to have a cell phone? Is this guy an abusive control freak or something?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Well, the dad sounds like a real piece of work. Anyone else ready to defend him?

Seems like all allegations were made as part of a nasty custody fight. Don't make the mistake to assume they are necessarily true.
Where is the evidence?

You know who I really feel sorry for?

The child caught in the shit storm. She had no say in anything, but she can't escape her parents dumbassery either.
Tom

Nor the dumbassery of judgmental rape apologists around the internet.

For someone who routinely counsels others that there is relevant missing information, you are sure ready to jump to conclusions about this woman.

I think Tom means she should have had an abortion.

 

[Jarhyn]

You mean the sixteen year old who was raped by a 30 year old?

Allegedly.

Indisputably.

The DNA test results are known and so is the daughter's age.

A 30 year old man definitely committed statutory rape and may have also committed forcible rape when he had non-consensual sex with a someone under the legal age to give consent and perhaps was also physically unable to due to being intoxicated. I realize you are trying to come up with a credible argument to defend him but there is no way the guy is the innocent victim here.

Also, what's this about his teenaged daughter not being allowed to have a cell phone? Is this guy an abusive control freak or something?

Well yeah, he needs to take away that cellphone before he starts in on her like he did her mother.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yet here you are supporting a 30 yr old perv who has sex with a sixteen year old.

I am not "supporting" him. I have no idea what happened.
I am just saying that
a) consensual sex with a 16 year old is not the same as "rape"

It wasn't legal due to her age. The court knew it wasn't legal due to her age. The court gave the father partial custody regardless.

b) just because a woman claims rape as part of a nasty custody fight does not mean she is telling the truth

*balloons!!!*

It is Derec's 10,000th post saying a woman can lie about rape.

 

[Toni]

You mean the sixteen year old who was raped by a 30 year old?

Allegedly.

Indisputably.

The DNA test results are known and so is the daughter's age.

A 30 year old man definitely committed statutory rape and may have also committed forcible rape when he had non-consensual sex with a someone under the legal age to give consent and perhaps was also physically unable to due to being intoxicated. I realize you are trying to come up with a credible argument to defend him but there is no way the guy is the innocent victim here.

Also, what's this about his teenaged daughter not being allowed to have a cell phone? Is this guy an abusive control freak or something?

Well yeah, he needs to take away that cellphone before he starts in on her like he did her mother.

Actually, there are allegations that he is/has sexually abused his daughter.

 

[Jarhyn]

You mean the sixteen year old who was raped by a 30 year old?

Allegedly.

Indisputably.

The DNA test results are known and so is the daughter's age.

A 30 year old man definitely committed statutory rape and may have also committed forcible rape when he had non-consensual sex with a someone under the legal age to give consent and perhaps was also physically unable to due to being intoxicated. I realize you are trying to come up with a credible argument to defend him but there is no way the guy is the innocent victim here.

Also, what's this about his teenaged daughter not being allowed to have a cell phone? Is this guy an abusive control freak or something?

Well yeah, he needs to take away that cellphone before he starts in on her like he did her mother.

Actually, there are allegations that he is/has sexually abused his daughter.

Why else would he come back into the life of a 16 year old as someone who fucked a 16 year old, except to fuck that 16 year old?

 

[Toni]

You mean the daughter who is the exact same age as her mother was when her father raped the mother? She’s a vulnerable child at 16 but her mother was not?

Your ability to misrepresent me, then go on with your strawman bullshit is exhausting.

I said no such thing. I feel bad for her because she's been living in this mess her whole life.

It would be great if scumbags, like her parents, didn't put kids through this crazy crap.
Tom

What do you think I am misrepresenting?

Or are you just uncomfortable that I have pointed out that you condemn one 16 year old who was, at the very least a victim of rape at 16 but seem to have a lot of empathy for the other 16 year old?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Why else would he come back into the life of a 16 year old as someone who fucked a 16 year old, except to fuck that 16 year old?

While we're making utterly unsupported accusations of vile trashiness...

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The child caught in the shit storm. She had no say in anything, but she can't escape her parents dumbassery either.

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It would be great if scumbags, like her parents, didn't put kids through this crazy crap.

Quite. This is the guy who is pro-life, sharing his support for a teenager that didn't abort, despite being 16 at the time. She was underaged and taken advantage of (illegally), yet, he wants to call her a dumbass and a scumbag. All the while knowing almost nothing about her. Only the father of the child committed a crime, yet in getting pregnant, she became trash in TomC's eyes. I say it was just her getting pregnant as it is effectively the only thing we know about her.

 

[laughing dog]

You mean the sixteen year old who was raped by a 30 year old?

Allegedly.

It is more than allegedly - he was 30 and she was 16. You've been shown the relevant Louisiana statute that indicates it was statutory rape.

 

[laughing dog]

From People magazine (Alleged rapist allegedly sexually abuses his child)

Cashe awarded Barnes, 46, full custody of the girl on March 21, 2022, despite allegations made by a child that Barnes had been sexually, physically and verbally abusive. Those allegations were first brought to the state's Department of Children and Family Services by a school counselor. Barnes has not been charged with a crime in connection with those allegations.

I wonder if this alters the perceptions of any readers.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

From People magazine (Alleged rapist allegedly sexually abuses his child)

Cashe awarded Barnes, 46, full custody of the girl on March 21, 2022, despite allegations made by a child that Barnes had been sexually, physically and verbally abusive. Those allegations were first brought to the state's Department of Children and Family Services by a school counselor. Barnes has not been charged with a crime in connection with those allegations.

I wonder if this alters the perceptions of any readers.

TomC probably will need to add the school counselor to the list of "scumbags".