Rape victim ordered to pay her abuser child support

[Toni]

Why else would he come back into the life of a 16 year old as someone who fucked a 16 year old, except to fuck that 16 year old?

While we're making utterly unsupported accusations of vile trashiness,

Maybe she asked the court to give him full custody because he's a better lay than any of her mom's family.
Tom

Unsupported? He fucked a 16 year old illegally in a way supported by the evidence that said fucking of a 16 year old resulted in a child.

It is supported by the reality of him making a complaint about the mother giving her daughter a cellphone.

It is apparently supported insofar as this bit you snipped:

Actually, there are allegations that he is/has sexually abused his daughter.

(It would be more supported if Toni actually linked this allegation and the supporting evidence).

In fact if it were because "he was a better lay", then even so, he should be denied custody and put in jail for exactly the crimes he committed with regards to the child's mother.

I agree with Toni insofar as this is the reason the death penalty shouldn't exist: I'd be too ready to flush him down the existential toilet, and it's not OK to give that any play.

LD posted an article above.

Sorry I did not post a link earlier—busy day

 

[Jarhyn]

So, yeah. I might have to exit this thread. I'm just... I want to see this guy face-down too much.

Anyone that doesn't is fucked in the head.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

"It happened after she left a bar with John Barnes,"

Wait a minute.
Abelseth was drinking in a bar? How did that happen?
She left with some guy. A guy who failed to check her ID.
Seriously?

I'm not condoning any of this whatsoever. Not underage drinking. Not taking a drunk chick home for sleazy sex. Not having a baby at that age. None of it.

But also not the pretense that she's an innocent victim of a predator.
Tom

I bet her skirt was too short also.

Bar implies fake ID and that she probably went looking for sex rather than he seduced her.

I have a problem with statutory rape laws being strict liability. I think they should make a reasonable effort to establish the age of the person, but if they have done so and are deceived I see no criminal intent. If she had a fake ID adequate to fool a bartender I'm not going to blame him for being deceived.

Now, a private party is a very different situation.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

"It happened after she left a bar with John Barnes,"

Wait a minute.
Abelseth was drinking in a bar? How did that happen?
She left with some guy. A guy who failed to check her ID.
Seriously?

I'm not condoning any of this whatsoever. Not underage drinking. Not taking a drunk chick home for sleazy sex. Not having a baby at that age. None of it.

But also not the pretense that she's an innocent victim of a predator.
Tom

I bet her skirt was too short also.

Bar implies fake ID and that she probably went looking for sex rather than he seduced her.

I have a problem with statutory rape laws being strict liability. I think they should make a reasonable effort to establish the age of the person, but if they have done so and are deceived I see no criminal intent. If she had a fake ID adequate to fool a bartender I'm not going to blame him for being deceived.

Now, a private party is a very different situation.

So young girls buy many of their own drinks in bars?

You are full of presumption.

 

[laughing dog]

"It happened after she left a bar with John Barnes,"

Wait a minute.
Abelseth was drinking in a bar? How did that happen?
She left with some guy. A guy who failed to check her ID.
Seriously?

I'm not condoning any of this whatsoever. Not underage drinking. Not taking a drunk chick home for sleazy sex. Not having a baby at that age. None of it.

But also not the pretense that she's an innocent victim of a predator.
Tom

I bet her skirt was too short also.

Bar implies fake ID and that she probably went looking for sex rather than he seduced her.

I have a problem with statutory rape laws being strict liability. I think they should make a reasonable effort to establish the age of the person, but if they have done so and are deceived I see no criminal intent. If she had a fake ID adequate to fool a bartender I'm not going to blame him for being deceived.

Now, a private party is a very different situation.

"It happened after she left a bar with John Barnes,"

Wait a minute.
Abelseth was drinking in a bar? How did that happen?
She left with some guy. A guy who failed to check her ID.
Seriously?

I'm not condoning any of this whatsoever. Not underage drinking. Not taking a drunk chick home for sleazy sex. Not having a baby at that age. None of it.

But also not the pretense that she's an innocent victim of a predator.
Tom

I bet her skirt was too short also.

Bar implies fake ID and that she probably went looking for sex rather than he seduced her.

I have a problem with statutory rape laws being strict liability. I think they should make a reasonable effort to establish the age of the person, but if they have done so and are deceived I see no criminal intent. If she had a fake ID adequate to fool a bartender I'm not going to blame him for being deceived.

Now, a private party is a very different situation.

So young girls buy many of their own drinks in bars?

You are full of presumption.

Exactly, since in many states it is not necessarily against the law for an underage person to be in a bar. Nor does the presence of an underage person in a bar necessarily mean that person was drinking alcohol.

But hey, just because some guy screwed a 16 year old and is accused by another 16 year old of sexual abuse doesn't mean he isn't a good guy. After all, he avoided paying child support fro 16 years and is now suing the mother for child support which means he must be an upright citizen.

 

[Toni]

"It happened after she left a bar with John Barnes,"

Wait a minute.
Abelseth was drinking in a bar? How did that happen?
She left with some guy. A guy who failed to check her ID.
Seriously?

I'm not condoning any of this whatsoever. Not underage drinking. Not taking a drunk chick home for sleazy sex. Not having a baby at that age. None of it.

But also not the pretense that she's an innocent victim of a predator.
Tom

I bet her skirt was too short also.

Bar implies fake ID and that she probably went looking for sex rather than he seduced her.

I have a problem with statutory rape laws being strict liability. I think they should make a reasonable effort to establish the age of the person, but if they have done so and are deceived I see no criminal intent. If she had a fake ID adequate to fool a bartender I'm not going to blame him for being deceived.

Now, a private party is a very different situation.

Really? And reasonable is defined by..whom?

I remember a conversation with my son, in his early 20’s about guys his age hitting on girls who were under the age of consent. He was very frank: He said it wasn’t easy to tell by looking; High school girls looked and dressed very much like young women his age. But, he told me, if you talk to them a bit, then it’s pretty easy to tell who is too young and who is about your age….,

 

[Jarhyn]

"It happened after she left a bar with John Barnes,"

Wait a minute.
Abelseth was drinking in a bar? How did that happen?
She left with some guy. A guy who failed to check her ID.
Seriously?

I'm not condoning any of this whatsoever. Not underage drinking. Not taking a drunk chick home for sleazy sex. Not having a baby at that age. None of it.

But also not the pretense that she's an innocent victim of a predator.
Tom

I bet her skirt was too short also.

Bar implies fake ID and that she probably went looking for sex rather than he seduced her.

I have a problem with statutory rape laws being strict liability. I think they should make a reasonable effort to establish the age of the person, but if they have done so and are deceived I see no criminal intent. If she had a fake ID adequate to fool a bartender I'm not going to blame him for being deceived.

Now, a private party is a very different situation.

Really? And reasonable is defined by..whom?

I remember a conversation with my son, in his early 20’s about guys his age hitting on girls who were under the age of consent. He was very frank: He said it wasn’t easy to tell by looking; High school girls looked and dressed very much like young women his age. But, he told me, if you talk to them a bit, then it’s pretty easy to tell who is too young and who is about your age….,

So, maybe a bit controversial, but honestly, early 20's may be too young for someone in their 30's let alone someone just barely more than half their age, or their own daughter a third their age.

 

[Toni]

"It happened after she left a bar with John Barnes,"

Wait a minute.
Abelseth was drinking in a bar? How did that happen?
She left with some guy. A guy who failed to check her ID.
Seriously?

I'm not condoning any of this whatsoever. Not underage drinking. Not taking a drunk chick home for sleazy sex. Not having a baby at that age. None of it.

But also not the pretense that she's an innocent victim of a predator.
Tom

I bet her skirt was too short also.

Bar implies fake ID and that she probably went looking for sex rather than he seduced her.

I have a problem with statutory rape laws being strict liability. I think they should make a reasonable effort to establish the age of the person, but if they have done so and are deceived I see no criminal intent. If she had a fake ID adequate to fool a bartender I'm not going to blame him for being deceived.

Now, a private party is a very different situation.

Really? And reasonable is defined by..whom?

I remember a conversation with my son, in his early 20’s about guys his age hitting on girls who were under the age of consent. He was very frank: He said it wasn’t easy to tell by looking; High school girls looked and dressed very much like young women his age. But, he told me, if you talk to them a bit, then it’s pretty easy to tell who is too young and who is about your age….,

So, maybe a bit controversial, but honestly, early 20's may be too young for someone in their 30's let alone someone just barely more than half their age, or their own daughter a third their age.

Yeah. There's a pretty significant imbalance of power in a relationship with a 10 year (plus or minus a few) when you are 18-19 or even early 20's. Later? Not so much.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

"It happened after she left a bar with John Barnes,"

Wait a minute.
Abelseth was drinking in a bar? How did that happen?
She left with some guy. A guy who failed to check her ID.
Seriously?

I'm not condoning any of this whatsoever. Not underage drinking. Not taking a drunk chick home for sleazy sex. Not having a baby at that age. None of it.

But also not the pretense that she's an innocent victim of a predator.
Tom

I bet her skirt was too short also.

Bar implies fake ID and that she probably went looking for sex rather than he seduced her.

I have a problem with statutory rape laws being strict liability. I think they should make a reasonable effort to establish the age of the person, but if they have done so and are deceived I see no criminal intent. If she had a fake ID adequate to fool a bartender I'm not going to blame him for being deceived.

Now, a private party is a very different situation.

Really? And reasonable is defined by..whom?

I remember a conversation with my son, in his early 20’s about guys his age hitting on girls who were under the age of consent. He was very frank: He said it wasn’t easy to tell by looking; High school girls looked and dressed very much like young women his age. But, he told me, if you talk to them a bit, then it’s pretty easy to tell who is too young and who is about your age….,

Girl: What the heck is a Facebook?
Male: Okay... I'm outta here.

 

[Daisy]

Why else would he come back into the life of a 16 year old as someone who fucked a 16 year old, except to fuck that 16 year old?

While we're making utterly unsupported accusations of vile trashiness,

Maybe she asked the court to give him full custody because he's a better lay than any of her mom's family.
Tom

Yep, that is vile trashiness. You keep alleging that she has requested that she be allowed to live with him; that seems to be something you just made up.

The articles state that Barnes was awarded custody because the mother gave her daughter a cell phone. I don't understand the reasoning behind that (also, the mother was fined $500 for it).

What is also bizarre is that the parents have been given alternate weekend custody of the daughter even after she said her father sexually abused her twice and her exam showed evidence consistent with that.

A trial is set for July 15 where it will be decided who gets custody, Barnes or the girl's mother Crysta Abelseth. Until then the girl will be put in the custody of guardians, as agreed upon by her parents. Abelseth and Barnes will alternate custody on weekends for the time being.

Judge temporarily revokes custody in rape paternity case after Nakamoto report; trial set for next month

AMITE - A judge at the center of a high-profile custody battle where a woman was ordered to pay her alleged abuser child support has temporarily reversed his decision to grant the teen's father full custody.

www.wbrz.com

Maybe that judge should be recalled.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Why else would he come back into the life of a 16 year old as someone who fucked a 16 year old, except to fuck that 16 year old?

While we're making utterly unsupported accusations of vile trashiness,

Maybe she asked the court to give him full custody because he's a better lay than any of her mom's family.
Tom

Yep, that is vile trashiness. You keep alleging that she has requested that she be allowed to live with him; that seems to be something you just made up.

TomC wasn't really suggesting that as a possibility. Instead they were proposing a tit for tat on what they felt was an unsubstantiated allegation against the father. I don't agree with them that it is unsubstantiated, but they weren't claiming the above as actual truth.

A trial is set for July 15 where it will be decided who gets custody, Barnes or the girl's mother Crysta Abelseth. Until then the girl will be put in the custody of guardians, as agreed upon by her parents. Abelseth and Barnes will alternate custody on weekends for the time being.

Judge temporarily revokes custody in rape paternity case after Nakamoto report; trial set for next month

AMITE - A judge at the center of a high-profile custody battle where a woman was ordered to pay her alleged abuser child support has temporarily reversed his decision to grant the teen's father full custody.

www.wbrz.com

Maybe that judge should be recalled.

I was thinking investigated and then tossed into a large weighted barrel and dropped into the middle of the ocean, but that might be unconstitutional.

 

[Toni]

Why else would he come back into the life of a 16 year old as someone who fucked a 16 year old, except to fuck that 16 year old?

While we're making utterly unsupported accusations of vile trashiness,

Maybe she asked the court to give him full custody because he's a better lay than any of her mom's family.
Tom

Yep, that is vile trashiness. You keep alleging that she has requested that she be allowed to live with him; that seems to be something you just made up.

TomC wasn't really suggesting that as a possibility. Instead they were proposing a tit for tat on what they felt was an unsubstantiated allegation against the father. I don't agree with them that it is unsubstantiated, but they weren't claiming the above as actual truth.

A trial is set for July 15 where it will be decided who gets custody, Barnes or the girl's mother Crysta Abelseth. Until then the girl will be put in the custody of guardians, as agreed upon by her parents. Abelseth and Barnes will alternate custody on weekends for the time being.

Judge temporarily revokes custody in rape paternity case after Nakamoto report; trial set for next month

AMITE - A judge at the center of a high-profile custody battle where a woman was ordered to pay her alleged abuser child support has temporarily reversed his decision to grant the teen's father full custody.

www.wbrz.com

Maybe that judge should be recalled.

I was thinking investigated and then tossed into a large weighted barrel and dropped into the middle of the ocean, but that might be unconstitutional.

Tom’s remarks about the daughter thinking her dad is a better lay than any of her mother’s boyfriends is so thoroughly disgusting and so far away from any facts of this case that I do not understand how a decent human being could write such garbage-or why the mods have not removed it.

Tom wrote those disgusting words to satisfy his own outrage at the father being called a rapist—as he certainly was under Louisiana law and the allegations that he has been sexually abusing his daughter.

Tom finds allegations against a man less disgusting than either the crimes that have been alleged or the certainty that indeed Case raped at least 16 year old girl.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Exactly, since in many states it is not necessarily against the law for an underage person to be in a bar. Nor does the presence of an underage person in a bar necessarily mean that person was drinking alcohol.

But hey, just because some guy screwed a 16 year old and is accused by another 16 year old of sexual abuse doesn't mean he isn't a good guy. After all, he avoided paying child support fro 16 years and is now suing the mother for child support which means he must be an upright citizen.

Depends on the state. I've always lived in places where you don't even get in the bar if you're underage.

 

[laughing dog]

Exactly, since in many states it is not necessarily against the law for an underage person to be in a bar. Nor does the presence of an underage person in a bar necessarily mean that person was drinking alcohol.

But hey, just because some guy screwed a 16 year old and is accused by another 16 year old of sexual abuse doesn't mean he isn't a good guy. After all, he avoided paying child support fro 16 years and is now suing the mother for child support which means he must be an upright citizen.

Depends on the state. I've always lived in places where you don't even get in the bar if you're underage.

Hence my usage of "it is not necessarily against the law for an underage person to be in a bar". And it points to the problem of using one's limited live experience to extrapolate.

 

[Metaphor]

Exactly, since in many states it is not necessarily against the law for an underage person to be in a bar. Nor does the presence of an underage person in a bar necessarily mean that person was drinking alcohol.

But hey, just because some guy screwed a 16 year old and is accused by another 16 year old of sexual abuse doesn't mean he isn't a good guy. After all, he avoided paying child support fro 16 years and is now suing the mother for child support which means he must be an upright citizen.

Depends on the state. I've always lived in places where you don't even get in the bar if you're underage.

Hence my usage of "it is not necessarily against the law for an underage person to be in a bar". And it points to the problem of using one's limited live experience to extrapolate.

In Louisiana, the legal age to enter a bar is 18.

I do not think it unreasonable that if you meet somebody at a bar in Louisiana, that they'd be 18 or older.

 

[Gospel]

Citing the law means you're woke. - TomC

Exactly, since in many states it is not necessarily against the law for an underage person to be in a bar. Nor does the presence of an underage person in a bar necessarily mean that person was drinking alcohol.

But hey, just because some guy screwed a 16 year old and is accused by another 16 year old of sexual abuse doesn't mean he isn't a good guy. After all, he avoided paying child support fro 16 years and is now suing the mother for child support which means he must be an upright citizen.

Depends on the state. I've always lived in places where you don't even get in the bar if you're underage.

Hence my usage of "it is not necessarily against the law for an underage person to be in a bar". And it points to the problem of using one's limited live experience to extrapolate.

In Louisiana, the legal age to enter a bar is 18.

I do not think it unreasonable that if you meet somebody at a bar in Louisiana, that they'd be 18 or older.

Louisiana has a lot of restaurants with bars. It's fucking Louisiana bruh!

 

[Gospel]

It's like all of a sudden it's not renowned for being the world capital of Mardi Gras.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So are arguing now the 30 year old is the victim in all this?

 

[ZiprHead]

Harvey's Grill & Bar

www.harveysgrillandbar.com

Applebee's Grill+Bar

Are children in LA not allowed in these chain restaurants?

 

[laughing dog]

Exactly, since in many states it is not necessarily against the law for an underage person to be in a bar. Nor does the presence of an underage person in a bar necessarily mean that person was drinking alcohol.

But hey, just because some guy screwed a 16 year old and is accused by another 16 year old of sexual abuse doesn't mean he isn't a good guy. After all, he avoided paying child support fro 16 years and is now suing the mother for child support which means he must be an upright citizen.

Depends on the state. I've always lived in places where you don't even get in the bar if you're underage.

Hence my usage of "it is not necessarily against the law for an underage person to be in a bar". And it points to the problem of using one's limited live experience to extrapolate.

In Louisiana, the legal age to enter a bar is 18.

I do not think it unreasonable that if you meet somebody at a bar in Louisiana, that they'd be 18 or older.

Except this was not a bar but a restaurant with a bar, so children can be there. J