Who is responsible for pregnancies? (Derail from: Policies that will reduce abortions)

[Metaphor]

Every pregnancy is the result of a woman ovulating.

Let's try an analogy. Maybe I can put this in terms that resonate with you.

Every anal tear a guy experiences is the result of a man being gay.

Well, I haven't even read this analogy and I know that's wrong. There are heterosexual men who request to be pegged by their female partners. Indeed, I'd wager that the vast majority of emergency room presentations for foreign objects in anuses are adult heterosexual men who put the objects in themselves.

Anal tearing is a risk with anal sex. The risk is increased if the anal sex is rough, or if there isn't sufficient lubrication. Obviously, not all anal sex will result in tearing. And also obviously, it takes two to engage in anal sex, so it's consensual.

Is it the responsibility of the bottom to ensure that the top doesn't get rough? Is it the responsibility of the bottom to ensure that the top uses sufficient lube and adds more as needed to stay safe?

Even if the bottom takes all the right steps - tells their partner to use lots of lube, insists on him not being rough, etc. - if tearing occurs, that harm is born entirely by the bottom, isn't it? If the bottom takes all the responsible steps he can, and still ends up torn, who is responsible for that tear?

Your analogy is ambiguous. Did the top ignore instructions? Did the top get carried away? Or did the top do everything that was agreed to and only that? It seems to me when you agree to receptive anal intercourse you are or should be aware that it can hurt or damage you. If you go ahead and consent, in what universe have you not accepted that risk? In what universe is one party to blame but not the other who equally participated in the action causing the tear?

 

[laughing dog]

No, you don't have it. I don't know what your use of the greater than symbol means, but I'm certain it's wrong.

Your "don't know what the use is but I am certain it's wrong" is a great example of pure ignorance(or bigotry) in action.

 

[Toni]

Evidently you don't want to hear that but for your eggs, you would never have fallen pregnant.

"Fallen pregnant". Because the woman did that to herself, right? Because she's the one who failed to be responsible about it? Yep. She "fell pregnant". FFS, you're half a step away from "got herself knocked up".

A woman engaged in consensual behaviour that caused her to be pregnant.

Why do you appear so hostile to the fact that eggs are as necessary as sperm in creating a pregnancy? I honestly don't understand it.

Any hostility on my part is purely imaginary.

Male hostility to the simple statement: Every pregnancy is the result of a man ejaculating, OTOH: That’s pretty substantial.

Every pregnancy is the result of a woman ovulating.

So, involuntary process on the part of woman > voluntary action on part of man.

Got it.

No, you don't have it. I don't know what your use of the greater than symbol means, but I'm certain it's wrong.

Every conception is the result of the fusion of a sperm and an egg. Unless nonconsent is involved, she is as responsible for the conception as the man is.

That does not change the FACT that if a man did not ejaculate, there would be no pregnancy.

Ovulation is involuntary.

Ejaculation is voluntary.

 

[Metaphor]

No, you don't have it. I don't know what your use of the greater than symbol means, but I'm certain it's wrong.

Your "don't know what the use is but I am certain it's wrong" is a great example of pure ignorance(or bigotry) in action.

It's satire, laughing dog, and your inability to recognise it is par for the course.

 

[laughing dog]

No, you don't have it. I don't know what your use of the greater than symbol means, but I'm certain it's wrong.

Your "don't know what the use is but I am certain it's wrong" is a great example of pure ignorance(or bigotry) in action.

It's satire, laughing dog, and your inability to recognise it is par for the course.

If it is satire (which I doubt), it is extremely shitty satire, which is your MO.

 

[Metaphor]

Evidently you don't want to hear that but for your eggs, you would never have fallen pregnant.

"Fallen pregnant". Because the woman did that to herself, right? Because she's the one who failed to be responsible about it? Yep. She "fell pregnant". FFS, you're half a step away from "got herself knocked up".

A woman engaged in consensual behaviour that caused her to be pregnant.

Why do you appear so hostile to the fact that eggs are as necessary as sperm in creating a pregnancy? I honestly don't understand it.

Any hostility on my part is purely imaginary.

Male hostility to the simple statement: Every pregnancy is the result of a man ejaculating, OTOH: That’s pretty substantial.

Every pregnancy is the result of a woman ovulating.

So, involuntary process on the part of woman > voluntary action on part of man.

Got it.

No, you don't have it. I don't know what your use of the greater than symbol means, but I'm certain it's wrong.

Every conception is the result of the fusion of a sperm and an egg. Unless nonconsent is involved, she is as responsible for the conception as the man is.

That does not change the FACT that if a man did not ejaculate, there would be no pregnancy.

Ovulation is involuntary.

Ejaculation is voluntary.

Ovulation is involuntary.
Sperm production is involuntary.

Consensual penis-in-vagina sex is voluntary.

Conceptions that result from consensual penis-in-vagina are as much the 'fault' or 'responsibility' of the man as the woman. I don't know why this is hard for you to deal with.

 

[Metaphor]

No, you don't have it. I don't know what your use of the greater than symbol means, but I'm certain it's wrong.

Your "don't know what the use is but I am certain it's wrong" is a great example of pure ignorance(or bigotry) in action.

It's satire, laughing dog, and your inability to recognise it is par for the course.

If it is satire (which I doubt), it is extremely shitty satire, which is your MO.

laughing dog, the fact that you cannot detect something obviously satirical ("I don't know what that word means, but I know you are using it wrong") sounds like a you problem.

 

[laughing dog]

laughing dog, the fact that you cannot detect something obviously satirical ("I don't know what that word means, but I know you are using it wrong") sounds like a you problem.

Oh Metaphor, the obvious interpretation s that your "satire" (of what) is so aptly characterizes your positions is that you have the problem.

 

[laughing dog]

Evidently you don't want to hear that but for your eggs, you would never have fallen pregnant.

"Fallen pregnant". Because the woman did that to herself, right? Because she's the one who failed to be responsible about it? Yep. She "fell pregnant". FFS, you're half a step away from "got herself knocked up".

A woman engaged in consensual behaviour that caused her to be pregnant.

Why do you appear so hostile to the fact that eggs are as necessary as sperm in creating a pregnancy? I honestly don't understand it.

Any hostility on my part is purely imaginary.

Male hostility to the simple statement: Every pregnancy is the result of a man ejaculating, OTOH: That’s pretty substantial.

Every pregnancy is the result of a woman ovulating.

So, involuntary process on the part of woman > voluntary action on part of man.

Got it.

No, you don't have it. I don't know what your use of the greater than symbol means, but I'm certain it's wrong.

Every conception is the result of the fusion of a sperm and an egg. Unless nonconsent is involved, she is as responsible for the conception as the man is.

That does not change the FACT that if a man did not ejaculate, there would be no pregnancy.

Ovulation is involuntary.

Ejaculation is voluntary.

Ovulation is involuntary.
Sperm production is involuntary.

Consensual penis-in-vagina sex is voluntary.

Conceptions that result from consensual penis-in-vagina are as much the 'fault' or 'responsibility' of the man as the woman. I don't know why this is hard for you to deal with.

Except that voluntary sex does not necessarily mean voluntary consent to bear the physical risk of pregnancy - which is one of Toni's obvious points that you seem unable to grasp. Because if you did, you would not feel the need to repeat the same off-point statements.

 

[Metaphor]

laughing dog, the fact that you cannot detect something obviously satirical ("I don't know what that word means, but I know you are using it wrong") sounds like a you problem.

Oh Metaphor, the obvious interpretation s that your "satire" (of what) is so aptly characterizes your positions is that you have the problem.

Sure luv.

 

[Metaphor]

Evidently you don't want to hear that but for your eggs, you would never have fallen pregnant.

"Fallen pregnant". Because the woman did that to herself, right? Because she's the one who failed to be responsible about it? Yep. She "fell pregnant". FFS, you're half a step away from "got herself knocked up".

A woman engaged in consensual behaviour that caused her to be pregnant.

Why do you appear so hostile to the fact that eggs are as necessary as sperm in creating a pregnancy? I honestly don't understand it.

Any hostility on my part is purely imaginary.

Male hostility to the simple statement: Every pregnancy is the result of a man ejaculating, OTOH: That’s pretty substantial.

Every pregnancy is the result of a woman ovulating.

So, involuntary process on the part of woman > voluntary action on part of man.

Got it.

No, you don't have it. I don't know what your use of the greater than symbol means, but I'm certain it's wrong.

Every conception is the result of the fusion of a sperm and an egg. Unless nonconsent is involved, she is as responsible for the conception as the man is.

That does not change the FACT that if a man did not ejaculate, there would be no pregnancy.

Ovulation is involuntary.

Ejaculation is voluntary.

Ovulation is involuntary.
Sperm production is involuntary.

Consensual penis-in-vagina sex is voluntary.

Conceptions that result from consensual penis-in-vagina are as much the 'fault' or 'responsibility' of the man as the woman. I don't know why this is hard for you to deal with.

Except that voluntary sex does not necessarily mean voluntary consent to bear the physical risk of pregnancy

Voluntary consent to penis-in-vagina sex means accepting the possibility of a conception and pregnancy. This should not be hard.

 

[laughing dog]

Voluntary consent to penis-in-vagina sex means accepting the possibility of a conception and pregnancy.

Except, of course, there is no possibility for bearing the possibility of pregnancy on the part of the man. Which is Toni's entire point that you appear incapable of grasping.

Moreover, saying voluntary consent to penis-in-vagina sex meanss accepting the possibility of a conception and pregnancy is is like saying getting into a car is accepting the possibility of getting killed by a drunk driver. Both statements are incredibly insensitive and moronic.

This should not be hard.

Apparently for you, it is.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

No, you don't have it. I don't know what your use of the greater than symbol means, but I'm certain it's wrong.

Every conception is the result of the fusion of a sperm and an egg. Unless nonconsent is involved, she is as responsible for the conception as the man is.

That does not change the FACT that if a man did not ejaculate, there would be no pregnancy.

Ovulation is involuntary.

Ejaculation is voluntary.

Ovulation is involuntary.
Sperm production is involuntary.

That is daft. This is about sperm projection, not sperm production.

Consensual penis-in-vagina sex is voluntary.

Penis in the vagina isn't a cause of pregnancy. There is one more step.

Conceptions that result from consensual penis-in-vagina are as much the 'fault' or 'responsibility' of the man as the woman. I don't know why this is hard for you to deal with.

This is effectively saying guy just has to ejaculate in the woman, if a woman consents. That a guy is powerless to do otherwise. If a guy doesn't want to impregnate a woman, there are options to greatly reduce that risk.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Men don’t want to hear any thing that implies they have any responsibility regarding pregnancy.

Every male responding in this thread has said both parties bear some responsibility. You want to absolve women of any responsibility.

Why do you think you know what I want?

I have never said that I wanted to absolve women from any responsibility for pregnancy—as if that could happen. Women get pregnant and carry a pregnancy to term ( or don’t) and give birth.

But that all begins when a man ejaculates.

You say you don't want to absolve the woman, but then turn right around and blame the man.

 

[Toni]

Evidently you don't want to hear that but for your eggs, you would never have fallen pregnant.

"Fallen pregnant". Because the woman did that to herself, right? Because she's the one who failed to be responsible about it? Yep. She "fell pregnant". FFS, you're half a step away from "got herself knocked up".

A woman engaged in consensual behaviour that caused her to be pregnant.

Why do you appear so hostile to the fact that eggs are as necessary as sperm in creating a pregnancy? I honestly don't understand it.

Any hostility on my part is purely imaginary.

Male hostility to the simple statement: Every pregnancy is the result of a man ejaculating, OTOH: That’s pretty substantial.

Every pregnancy is the result of a woman ovulating.

So, involuntary process on the part of woman > voluntary action on part of man.

Got it.

No, you don't have it. I don't know what your use of the greater than symbol means, but I'm certain it's wrong.

Every conception is the result of the fusion of a sperm and an egg. Unless nonconsent is involved, she is as responsible for the conception as the man is.

That does not change the FACT that if a man did not ejaculate, there would be no pregnancy.

Ovulation is involuntary.

Ejaculation is voluntary.

Ovulation is involuntary.
Sperm production is involuntary.

Consensual penis-in-vagina sex is voluntary.

Conceptions that result from consensual penis-in-vagina are as much the 'fault' or 'responsibility' of the man as the woman. I don't know why this is hard for you to deal with.

I have no trouble with ‘dealing’ with it.

I made a simple declarative sentence: Every unwanted pregnancy begins with some man’s ejaculation.

I don’t know why men are having such a hard time dealing with that fact. Or the fact that I wrote it. I’d think men would be delighted with the credit.

Men don’t want to hear any thing that implies they have any responsibility regarding pregnancy.

Every male responding in this thread has said both parties bear some responsibility. You want to absolve women of any responsibility.

Why do you think you know what I want?

I have never said that I wanted to absolve women from any responsibility for pregnancy—as if that could happen. Women get pregnant and carry a pregnancy to term ( or don’t) and give birth.

But that all begins when a man ejaculates.

You say you don't want to absolve the woman, but then turn right around and blame the man.

No, I’m not ‘blaming’ anyone. I stated a simple fact.

Sorry you can’t or won’t deal with it.

 

[Toni]

Evidently you don't want to hear that but for your eggs, you would never have fallen pregnant.

"Fallen pregnant". Because the woman did that to herself, right? Because she's the one who failed to be responsible about it? Yep. She "fell pregnant". FFS, you're half a step away from "got herself knocked up".

A woman engaged in consensual behaviour that caused her to be pregnant.

Why do you appear so hostile to the fact that eggs are as necessary as sperm in creating a pregnancy? I honestly don't understand it.

Any hostility on my part is purely imaginary.

Male hostility to the simple statement: Every pregnancy is the result of a man ejaculating, OTOH: That’s pretty substantial.

Every pregnancy is the result of a woman ovulating.

So, involuntary process on the part of woman > voluntary action on part of man.

Got it.

No, you don't have it. I don't know what your use of the greater than symbol means, but I'm certain it's wrong.

Every conception is the result of the fusion of a sperm and an egg. Unless nonconsent is involved, she is as responsible for the conception as the man is.

That does not change the FACT that if a man did not ejaculate, there would be no pregnancy.

Ovulation is involuntary.

Ejaculation is voluntary.

Ovulation is involuntary.
Sperm production is involuntary.

Consensual penis-in-vagina sex is voluntary.

Conceptions that result from consensual penis-in-vagina are as much the 'fault' or 'responsibility' of the man as the woman. I don't know why this is hard for you to deal with.

Except that voluntary sex does not necessarily mean voluntary consent to bear the physical risk of pregnancy

Voluntary consent to penis-in-vagina sex means accepting the possibility of a conception and pregnancy. This should not be hard.

Actually, at least somewhat hard is a prerequisite .

 

[Loren Pechtel]

So, involuntary process on the part of woman > voluntary action on part of man.

Got it.

Man--consented to ejaculating in her vagina.
Woman--consented to having her vagina ejaculated into.

Equal.

 

[Toni]

Evidently you don't want to hear that but for your eggs, you would never have fallen pregnant.

"Fallen pregnant". Because the woman did that to herself, right? Because she's the one who failed to be responsible about it? Yep. She "fell pregnant". FFS, you're half a step away from "got herself knocked up".

A woman engaged in consensual behaviour that caused her to be pregnant.

Why do you appear so hostile to the fact that eggs are as necessary as sperm in creating a pregnancy? I honestly don't understand it.

Any hostility on my part is purely imaginary.

Male hostility to the simple statement: Every pregnancy is the result of a man ejaculating, OTOH: That’s pretty substantial.

Every pregnancy is the result of a woman ovulating.

So, involuntary process on the part of woman > voluntary action on part of man.

Got it.

No, you don't have it. I don't know what your use of the greater than symbol means, but I'm certain it's wrong.

Every conception is the result of the fusion of a sperm and an egg. Unless nonconsent is involved, she is as responsible for the conception as the man is.

That does not change the FACT that if a man did not ejaculate, there would be no pregnancy.

Ovulation is involuntary.

Ejaculation is voluntary.

Ovulation is involuntary.
Sperm production is involuntary.

Consensual penis-in-vagina sex is voluntary.

Conceptions that result from consensual penis-in-vagina are as much the 'fault' or 'responsibility' of the man as the woman. I don't know why this is hard for you to deal with.

Ejaculation is voluntary. You forgot that part.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So, involuntary process on the part of woman > voluntary action on part of man.

Got it.

Man--consented to ejaculating in her vagina.
Woman--consented to having her vagina ejaculated into.

Equal.

Want woman to get pregnant or not?

 

[Metaphor]

Voluntary consent to penis-in-vagina sex means accepting the possibility of a conception and pregnancy.

Except, of course, there is no possibility for bearing the possibility of pregnancy on the part of the man. Which is Toni's entire point that you appear incapable of grasping.

Of course there is no possibility of the man falling pregnant. So what? That does not make him somehow more responsible for the woman's pregnancy than he already was or wasn't.

Moreover, saying voluntary consent to penis-in-vagina sex meanss accepting the possibility of a conception and pregnancy is is like saying getting into a car is accepting the possibility of getting killed by a drunk driver. Both statements are incredibly insensitive and moronic.

Your analogy is insensitive and moronic, not my statement of fact.

It beggars belief that this is still being debated. When a woman consents to penis-in-vagina sex she is as responsible for any resulting conception as the man who ejaculated sperm into her.