barbos
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Just in case, I was talking about american police, russian police is pretty crappy.
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RavenSky
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Excuse me, you just said that "rules are rules" and that I should not expect special privilege because then everyone else will expect the same.
Moreover, you are blaming me!! Blaming the victim here for... what? FOLLOWING THE RULES!
What if I had asked to keep my daughter in the line with me, and they said "no, rules are rules" Then what? I was not disrupting anything in the que. There was no disruption at all until bully cop prevented me from looking for my daughter inside.
Further, what happened outside in the que has nothing whatsoever to do with the behavior of the bully cop on the inside. You found fault with me for FOLLOWING THE RULES but didn't find any fault with the cop's behavior when he was alerted that my daughter was missing?
Unbelievable. [shakes head]
barbos
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Don't have kids, and I thought it was a concert.
They can separate children from parents in airport?
Davka
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Airport, concert, you name it. 9/11 was a godsend for the fascists.
barbos
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I don't think you understood the rule.
I am blaming you for being hysterical.
Then you would have a case for grievance.
I was not there, so I only have your side of the story.
barbos
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LOL, and you say Russia is bad.
Yeah, except what she's describing is something that happens all the time. Cops needlessly escalating situations that could be easily resolved by simply talking and listening. You know, what they're PAID to do, using taxpayer money.
Based on what RavenSky posted, the incident was completely avoidable and 100% the cop's fault. And shit like this happens all the time, except in many cases someone ends up arrested, injured, or dead.
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You don't need to dress all that freaky to get treated differently by the cops.
A friend of mine lived in the house that his store was in. Cops regularly broke into his house because they saw lights on inside and assumed someone was robbing the store.
He noticed that if they broke in on the side of the store that sold martial arts supplies, they apologized for disturbing him and were likely to ask what his hours were.
If they broke in on the side where the shelves were full of AD&D supplies, they were a lot less likely to apologize and tended to blame him. "You should consider renting a storefront somewhere so this sort of thing doesn't happen..."
A friend of mine lived in the house that his store was in. Cops regularly broke into his house because they saw lights on inside and assumed someone was robbing the store.
He noticed that if they broke in on the side of the store that sold martial arts supplies, they apologized for disturbing him and were likely to ask what his hours were.
If they broke in on the side where the shelves were full of AD&D supplies, they were a lot less likely to apologize and tended to blame him. "You should consider renting a storefront somewhere so this sort of thing doesn't happen..."
barbos
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not 100%. I explained why.
No, shit like that does not happen all the time, it gets reported all the time.
Most of the people behave like normal people when deal with police. Unfortunately such cases are not reported.
dystopian
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Cop: "M'am, step back. You are in violation of regulation 432B-III which states that civilians must at all times..."
Civilian: "HOLY SHIT THERE'S AN ARMY OF MUTANT BEARS HEADING RIGHT FOR US WE NEED TO GET OUT OF HERE!"
Cop: "Okay, m'am, I need you to calm down."
Civilian: "DO YOU NOT SEE THEM COMING DOWN THE STREET!?"
Cop: "M'am, I need you to calm down and stop trying to agitate me."
Civilian: "BUT WE'RE ABOUT TO DIE!"
Cop: "M'am, if you don't calm down I'm going to have to arrest you. M'am, where you are going? Dispatch, this is officer Steve, in pursuit of fugitive jaywalking suspect. Requesting permission to use live fire."
Dispatch: "Steve? What the fuck is wrong with you? The city is on fire and everyone's being mauled by mutant bears! Just get the hell out of th-OMG THEY'RE INSIDE!"
Cop: "Copy that, dispatch, I will continue pursuing suspect."
Davka
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Sure they are. People are regularly reacting with blank looks and saying "I've always had good interactions with the police."
The thing is, when cops act like assholes and citizens challenge them (which is, by the way, how "normal" people react when they are being abused), those cops tend to start acting out their inferiority complex in a violent and inappropriate manner. "I'm in charge here, don't question me" is never the appropriate response to someone questioning your orders. Unless you're an insecure fuck and don't care who knows it.
You gave a reason, but it wasn't a convincing one. The entire situation would have been avoided if the cop had simply not been an asshole and listened to what she was telling him. Everything else is moot.
Yes, it happens all the time. And the vast majority of cases don't get reported.
RavenSky
The Doctor's Wife
I understood the rule completely. I also understand that what happened outside in the que (which was not disorderly) had nothing whatsoever to do with the bully cop's behavior inside the park.
No. You are blaming me for both following the rule outside the park and for not demanding special privileges outside of the park. I was not "hysterical" outside of the park, nor even inside of the park. But I note your use of the word "hysterical" - a very typical tactic of oppressive people trying to minimize the anger of a woman. My child was missing. My fear was 100% justified. A bully was preventing me from finding her. My anger at him was 100% justified. I was not "hysterical" and therefore dismissible. The fact that you would use that specific word to dismiss me, after also blaming me, yet still not addressing the bully cop's bad behavior says a lot about you.
No. I would have had people like you accusing me of expecting special privileges. I had a case for grievance when a bully cop ignored a missing child
Ah yes, call the victim a liar. That always works
Why would I lie about what happened? Moreover, in what possible way could you twist the facts of the story around to make the bully cop's behavior acceptable? There was a missing child and a mother looking for the missing child. Those are the indisputable facts. Now give us a version of events that would somehow make the bully cop's actions reasonable.
barbos
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As I said all my own experiences with the police were good.
But I knew few people who have bad stories. One guy was once stopped by the police at gun point. He was speeding and police tried to pull him over, but he is an idiot and would not stop because he thought (well he said that) it was not safe to stop in that particular place and would simply slowly drive and drive and drive and drive trying to find a place where he can pull over. He ended up having few police cars following him and then pulling guns on him. He is an idiot. Police expect you to stop when they are behind you with flashing lights, period.
Another horror story was a guy who was found sleeping drunk in his car, it was clear to the police that he was driving drunk before that but they caught him only sleeping. So police gave him a ride home but the next day when we got back to take the car it had front window smashed. We decided that police did that but we could not be sure. Again, the guy was driving drunk.
But I knew few people who have bad stories. One guy was once stopped by the police at gun point. He was speeding and police tried to pull him over, but he is an idiot and would not stop because he thought (well he said that) it was not safe to stop in that particular place and would simply slowly drive and drive and drive and drive trying to find a place where he can pull over. He ended up having few police cars following him and then pulling guns on him. He is an idiot. Police expect you to stop when they are behind you with flashing lights, period.
Another horror story was a guy who was found sleeping drunk in his car, it was clear to the police that he was driving drunk before that but they caught him only sleeping. So police gave him a ride home but the next day when we got back to take the car it had front window smashed. We decided that police did that but we could not be sure. Again, the guy was driving drunk.
RavenSky
The Doctor's Wife
And yet you are unable to find a single thing I did wrong to bring on the bullying behavior of the cop in the park.
barbos
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RavenSky
The Doctor's Wife
No, I was not drunk at the time. I was a mother taking her daughter to a concert. I followed all of the directions of police conducting crowd control; and as a consequence of that, my daughter was lost. I did not get hysterical. I did not get nasty with anyone. I didn't actually do anything at all except look for her at the entrance where I knew she should be coming through.
When I told the cop what I was doing after he approached me, he could have simply helped me find her.
Do you agree or disagree Barbos?
I wish I could say I am shocked that Barbos would discount and dismiss what happened to me, and blame everything on me including making up total garbage such as *asking* if I was drunk. Unfortunately, I'm not shocked. This is part of what we see every single time there is any report of a policeman abusing someone. The victim is dismissed as a criminal deserving of what they got (even when the victim is an off-duty police officer themselves!). If that doesn't work, the victim has every bit of their behavior, tone and/or past dissected and criticized in order to blame them for what happened. We see it all.the.time - every time.
So I am not shocked that Barbos would take that very same inexcusable position with me.
But it is the fact of what happened to me - a middle aged white woman who used to believe in the Officer Friendly myth - that makes me realize that this kind of shit really does happen to completely innocent people, and to people who are perhaps not completely innocent but still don't deserve to be placed in illegal choke-holds until they are dead.
EPresence2
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Not just to Ravensky: Since when does one "by the book" dick-head cop represent the overwhelming majority of cops in similar situations? If the shoe were on the other foot, there would be justified cries of racism. I've encountered cops that were being dick-heads at the moment IMO, but I don't make generalizations about the overwhelming majority of them - there is a human being who might be having a bad day behind every badge. The same goes for civilians being unfairly profiled and treated harshly.OK, let me try a little harder. Were you drunk at the time?
I am just trying harder
No, I was not drunk at the time. I was a mother taking her daughter to a concert. I followed all of the directions of police conducting crowd control; and as a consequence of that, my daughter was lost. I did not get hysterical. I did not get nasty with anyone. I didn't actually do anything at all except look for her at the entrance where I knew she should be coming through.
When I told the cop what I was doing after he approached me, he could have simply helped me find her.
Do you agree or disagree Barbos?
barbos
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I believe you believe your own story. I am just not ready to convict that police officer on your testimony. And you have to understand why.OK, let me try a little harder. Were you drunk at the time?
I am just trying harder
No, I was not drunk at the time. I was a mother taking her daughter to a concert. I followed all of the directions of police conducting crowd control; and as a consequence of that, my daughter was lost. I did not get hysterical. I did not get nasty with anyone. I didn't actually do anything at all except look for her at the entrance where I knew she should be coming through.
When I told the cop what I was doing after he approached me, he could have simply helped me find her.
Do you agree or disagree Barbos?
I wish I could say I am shocked that Barbos would discount and dismiss what happened to me, and blame everything on me including making up total garbage such as *asking* if I was drunk. Unfortunately, I'm not shocked. This is part of what we see every single time there is any report of a policeman abusing someone. The victim is dismissed as a criminal deserving of what they got. If that doesn't work, the victim has every bit of their behavior, tone and/or past dissected and criticized in order to blame them for what happened. We see it all.the.time - every time.
So I am not shocked that Barbos would take that very same inexcusable position with me.
But it is the fact of what happened to me - a middle aged white woman who used to believe in the Officer Friendly myth - that makes me realize that this kind of shit really does happen to completely innocent people, and to people who are perhaps not completely innocent but still don't deserve to be placed in illegal choke-holds until they are dead.
As for that choke case, If I were you I would not use it as an example because the guy was not completely innocent at all. Same way with my two stories, one was driving drunk and another was speeding and would not pull over.