The New National Don't-Say-Gay Bill

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

IMHO, the conservatives want to make this an election issue by poisoning the well...basically, "Look, the Democrat Party wants to sexualize little children!!1111one!1"

While that's just my opinion due to the timing, disingenuous claims, and so forth, let's look more technically at this new draconian bill. Here is an article from NPR:

What's in the so-called Don't Say Gay bill that could impact the whole country​

House Republicans have introduced legislation that some critics are describing as a national "Don't Say Gay" bill – inspired by the controversial Florida law that bans instruction on gender identity and sexual orientation in kindergarten through third grade classes.

If the federal bill were to become law, which is unlikely in the current Congress, its effects could be far more sweeping, affecting not just instruction in schools, but also events and literature at any federally-funded institution.

Sounds too broad which is one of my main complaints with other draconian legislation that conservatives have been passing.

Of course it also has a tricky name: Stop the Sexualization of Children Act

Take a look at this section:

SEXUALLY-ORIENTED MATERIAL.—The term ‘‘sexually-oriented material’’ means any depiction, description, or simulation of sexual activity, any lewd or lascivious depiction or description of human genitals, or any topic involving gender identity, gender dysphoria, transgenderism, sexual orientation, or related subjects.

"...or any topic involving...sexual orientation...or related subjects." Heterosexual is a sexual orientation, but they don't mean that. Sexual orientation is code for gay. So think back to Moms for Liberty objections and banning books. One thing they were screaming about was the possibility of a child seeing gay parents in a children's book. Gay parents exist (so do trans people by the way)...so essentially this forces children to not see the reality of the world by only seeing heterosexual "normal" people because conservatives want to control their kids into always being straight, conservative, and following their religion.

Also previous section: "A parent legal guardian of a child may bring a civil action of injunctive relief..."

In other words, any extremist parent who becomes aware of a book that a 9 year old could access in a school library or whatever where there are some gay parents can sue the school.

The bill itself also has some extremist examples, like drag queen story hour and burlesque shows that are meant to be shocking so that moderate thinking people might agree with the over-reach of the bill.

To add--some things in the bill are also hard to measure and subjective. For example, what one parent may consider to be lewd or "lascivious dancing" another parent may consider not to be so. The most extreme parent can sue, though, even if the vast majority think the dancing is a nothing burger.

Lastly, if such bill were to pass (it won't), we'd likely see over reactions from schools again in order to avoid lawsuits from the most extreme conservative Qarens, like Moms for Liberty. So there's also a practical reality of how this extremism can infect freedom in schools.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

From the people who wouldn't let Evolution be taught in Biology comes their newest and biggest hit yet, "Stop sexualizing our children". Parents are raving "teaching my Kindergartener that homosexuals are real is going to make them gay!" and "Teachers are grooming children into sexual deviants!" Out today on single LP with their other new release "CRT not 4 Me". Buy one at a book burning near you.

 

[thebeave]

Is there a particular reason why such subject matter can't be taught and discussed at home by the kids' parents at a depth and age level they deem appropriate for their child? That way schools can focus on, you know, reading, writing and arithmetic...like in the olden days?

I just saw a news clip yesterday about how poorly kids are faring due to the covid lockdown. There's a lot catching up to do. Let's keep kids focused on the basics.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Is there a particular reason why such subject matter can't be taught and discussed at home by the kids' parents at a depth and age level they deem appropriate for their child?

Sure! Just like I can teach my daughter about scientific notation or decimals or fractions. That doesn't mean it isn't viable for teaching in the classroom for whatever person. In schools, since at least I was in one, we are taught about tolerance and respecting our peers. Not exactly certain why teaching about tolerance is such a controversial thing.

That way schools can focus on, you know, reading, writing and arithmetic...like in the olden days?

The funny thing, schools likely don't burden themselves with 20 hours a week on teaching children that different type of people exist. This isn't a very deep subject to deal with.

I just saw a news clip yesterday about how poorly kids are faring due to the covid lockdown. There's a lot catching up to do. Let's keep kids focused on the basics.

Poorly is not the most accurate word. There was a dip, which is odd because parents could have helped their children with the math, english, and science at home... right?!

Regardless, getting out of that dip won't be hindered by telling children other types of people exist. That a gay teacher is gay and that isn't a fucking crime. My daughter's teacher mentioned her husband several times in class over the months (Covid home learning days). Didn't think second of it. All of a sudden it is same sex... we are supposed to be scared to death?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Is there a particular reason why such subject matter can't be taught and discussed at home by the kids' parents at a depth and age level they deem appropriate for their child? That way schools can focus on, you know, reading, writing and arithmetic...like in the olden days?

I just saw a news clip yesterday about how poorly kids are faring due to the covid lockdown. There's a lot catching up to do. Let's keep kids focused on the basics.

You mean, basic "normal" stuff, like when they read a book from the library, the parents in the book have to be straight?

 

[laughing dog]

A literal reading of that law would make To Kill A Mockingbird as a required reading a potential issue.

Do we know any of the actual sponsors of these bill?

 

[Jarhyn]

Of course it also has a tricky name

Can the majority in either house of congress move to change the title of a bill?

 

[Jarhyn]

Is there a particular reason why such subject matter can't be taught and discussed at home by the kids' parents at a depth and age level they deem appropriate for their child? That way schools can focus on, you know, reading, writing and arithmetic...like in the olden days?

I just saw a news clip yesterday about how poorly kids are faring due to the covid lockdown. There's a lot catching up to do. Let's keep kids focused on the basics.

Because it won't be. Things children have a right to access information on, from trustworthy sources that are disinterested in them sexually (re: teachers), will nonetheless be held from them in such circumstances as you suggest.

This is abuse.

Or do you want to go down that road of discussing what you deem "appropriate" and why? Because I can go there all day long as regards what I find "appropriate" where, why, and with whom.

I'm pretty sure I know what this is about though: quite literally evil folks taking issue at education about informed consent.

You should take care not to be taken in by such, @thebeave

 

[Ford]

IMHO, the conservatives want to make this an election issue by poisoning the well...basically, "Look, the Democrat Party wants to sexualize little children!!1111one!1"

Yep. I refer to stuff like this as "stunt legislation." A bill they know won't pass, but can use as a cudgel in ads. "Senator Brock Landers voted to defend innocent children, but his opponent wants your kids to see live gay sex shows in kindergarten!"

And it will work. Perhaps too late to have an effect in this election, but the rubes will fall for it.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Person A: I'll tell you what is wrong in America! We need to teach children Civics in class.
Person B: So teach about tolerance of all people in our community?
Person A: No, that isn't what I mean.
Person B: Comprehensive education on the Constitution and 250 years of constitutional law and the changes over that time?
Person A: No, that isn't what I mean.
Person B: Teach about our responsibility to the community?
Person A: No, that isn't what I mean.
Person B: So just flag waving and military worship?
Person A: Damn right! That is what "Civics" mean.

 

[Oleg]

Is there a particular reason why such subject matter can't be taught and discussed at home by the kids' parents at a depth and age level they deem appropriate for their child? That way schools can focus on, you know, reading, writing and arithmetic...like in the olden days?

I just saw a news clip yesterday about how poorly kids are faring due to the covid lockdown. There's a lot catching up to do. Let's keep kids focused on the basics.

It is a wonder why the left is so enthusiastically interested in the sex lives of children. It’s almost as of the goal is to normalize sex at an early age so as to lower or do away with the age of consent. We’ve already a name for people who seek private sexual conversations with children. Chris Hanson told them to take a seat.

 

[ZiprHead]

Is there a particular reason why such subject matter can't be taught and discussed at home by the kids' parents at a depth and age level they deem appropriate for their child? That way schools can focus on, you know, reading, writing and arithmetic...like in the olden days?

I just saw a news clip yesterday about how poorly kids are faring due to the covid lockdown. There's a lot catching up to do. Let's keep kids focused on the basics.

It is a wonder why the left is so enthusiastically interested in the sex lives of children. It’s almost as of the goal is to normalize sex at an early age so as to lower or do away with the age of consent. We’ve already a name for people who seek private sexual conversations with children. Chris Hanson told them to take a seat.

 

[Jarhyn]

Is there a particular reason why such subject matter can't be taught and discussed at home by the kids' parents at a depth and age level they deem appropriate for their child? That way schools can focus on, you know, reading, writing and arithmetic...like in the olden days?

I just saw a news clip yesterday about how poorly kids are faring due to the covid lockdown. There's a lot catching up to do. Let's keep kids focused on the basics.

It is a wonder why the left is so enthusiastically interested in the sex lives of children. It’s almost as of the goal is to normalize sex at an early age so as to lower or do away with the age of consent. We’ve already a name for people who seek private sexual conversations with children. Chris Hanson told them to take a seat.

The left aren't the ones railing against age of consent laws, and in fact education on what consent is, means, and what is and is not.

It's almost like there are folks out there accusing mirrors...

Does the FBI need to check your computer?

Those of us who have actually been the victims of sexual abuse generally recognize that the most effective way to prevent sexual abuse of minors is to teach them about consent and self-determination.

We see that the play ook of the right: repealing or weakening consent laws amid no longer teaching consent, creates a recipe to repeat exactly the abuses we have suffered. Hence "evil".

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Is there a particular reason why such subject matter can't be taught and discussed at home by the kids' parents at a depth and age level they deem appropriate for their child? That way schools can focus on, you know, reading, writing and arithmetic...like in the olden days?

I just saw a news clip yesterday about how poorly kids are faring due to the covid lockdown. There's a lot catching up to do. Let's keep kids focused on the basics.

It is a wonder why the left is so enthusiastically interested in the sex lives of children.

In 2003, liberals were called traitors for not supporting the invasion of Iraq. Now days, they are being called pedos by the same people. Of course, they dance around the accusation because it is legally defamation of character, being well beyond the limits of civil discourse and even accusation.

But you can feel free to walk into our faces instead of trolling online and call people out and wait for the reaction. You might want to duck.

I mean, after all, the right-wing is anti-#Me Too... kinda makes you wonder how many conservatives are rapists. Make it impossible for women to step up about their assault, making easier for other guys to have their way with women. Goose and gander and all, right? Of course, the mirror difference would be alt-right'ers mocking sexual assault survivors, verses teachers being able to discuss about who they are or make asides about partners, etc...

 

[Oleg]

As much as the pedophiles want to gaslight and say this is some fundamentalist crusade to protect traditional marriage, even gays and lesbians see the current threat to children.

Gays Against Groomers

A coalition of gays against the sexualization, indoctrination and medicalization of minors under the guise of "LGBTQIA+"

www.gaysagainstgroomers.com

 

[Oleg]

Is there a particular reason why such subject matter can't be taught and discussed at home by the kids' parents at a depth and age level they deem appropriate for their child? That way schools can focus on, you know, reading, writing and arithmetic...like in the olden days?

I just saw a news clip yesterday about how poorly kids are faring due to the covid lockdown. There's a lot catching up to do. Let's keep kids focused on the basics.

It is a wonder why the left is so enthusiastically interested in the sex lives of children.

In 2003, liberals were called traitors for not supporting the invasion of Iraq. Now days, they are being called pedos by the same people. Of course, they dance around the accusation because it is legally defamation of character, being well beyond the limits of civil discourse and accusation.

But you can feel free to walk into our faces instead of trolling online and call people out and wait for the reaction. You might want to duck.

You’re comparing the Iraq invasion with adults wanting to sexualize children? Wut? Please explain to me why the sex lives of kindergarteners is so important to you.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Is there a particular reason why such subject matter can't be taught and discussed at home by the kids' parents at a depth and age level they deem appropriate for their child? That way schools can focus on, you know, reading, writing and arithmetic...like in the olden days?

I just saw a news clip yesterday about how poorly kids are faring due to the covid lockdown. There's a lot catching up to do. Let's keep kids focused on the basics.

It is a wonder why the left is so enthusiastically interested in the sex lives of children.

In 2003, liberals were called traitors for not supporting the invasion of Iraq. Now days, they are being called pedos by the same people. Of course, they dance around the accusation because it is legally defamation of character, being well beyond the limits of civil discourse and accusation.

But you can feel free to walk into our faces instead of trolling online and call people out and wait for the reaction. You might want to duck.

You’re comparing the Iraq invasion with adults wanting to sexualize children? Wut? Please explain to me why the sex lives of kindergarteners is so important to you.

Can you tell me when you are going to stop beating your wife? Also, the only person bringing up sex and children is you.

 

[Jarhyn]

You’re comparing the Iraq invasion with adults wanting to sexualize children? Wut? Please explain to me why the sex lives of kindergarteners is so important to you

It's almost like there are folks out there accusing mirrors...

 

[Jarhyn]

Is there a particular reason why such subject matter can't be taught and discussed at home by the kids' parents at a depth and age level they deem appropriate for their child? That way schools can focus on, you know, reading, writing and arithmetic...like in the olden days?

I just saw a news clip yesterday about how poorly kids are faring due to the covid lockdown. There's a lot catching up to do. Let's keep kids focused on the basics.

It is a wonder why the left is so enthusiastically interested in the sex lives of children.

In 2003, liberals were called traitors for not supporting the invasion of Iraq. Now days, they are being called pedos by the same people. Of course, they dance around the accusation because it is legally defamation of character, being well beyond the limits of civil discourse and accusation.

But you can feel free to walk into our faces instead of trolling online and call people out and wait for the reaction. You might want to duck.

You’re comparing the Iraq invasion with adults wanting to sexualize children? Wut? Please explain to me why the sex lives of kindergarteners is so important to you.

Can you tell me when you are going to stop beating your wife?

The wife is metaphorical, ya?

 

[abaddon]

As much as the pedophiles want to gaslight and say this is some fundamentalist crusade to protect traditional marriage, even gays and lesbians see the current threat to children.

Gays Against Groomers

A coalition of gays against the sexualization, indoctrination and medicalization of minors under the guise of "LGBTQIA+"

www.gaysagainstgroomers.com

Do they? That link doesn't support your case. The website is just a spam advert -- they're lying about "groomers" and probably about themselves as being gay. Also (of course) they're taking donations from dipshits, harvesting emails and trying to sell merch.

I'm not seeing evidence of your claim.