Politics Where are you really from?

[laughing dog]

First, it is illegal to ask about sexual orientation.

Where?
I don't know of a place.

You live in the United States. It is illegal to ask about sexual orientation on a job application.

Secondly, why did you change the subject to orientation?
Tom

I didn't. If you bothered to read the post which I quoted (it is post 181), it reads in part
"What if you want a gay person? There would be a similar problem there, wouldn't there? If you need to hire a gay guy for DEI purposes, can you ask him directly if he likes dick? Or do you have to just guess he's gay, based on his lisp and swishy walk? This is all very confusing. "

My answer - accept the answer and move on - applies both situations thebeave asked about.

 

[TomC]

The questions SH asked are none of her business.

What questions did Ms Hussey ask?
Tom

 

[pood]

I found Lady Susan's questions to be EXCEEDINGLY rude. Yes, Ms. Fulani evaded the rude questions, but many would do the same. The right-wing whingers in the thread have outdone themselves this time.

Quite so. I would have told ”Lady” What’s-Her-Ass to fuck right off.

You see, this sort of garbage from the right-whingers, to defend racists and racism, is the right-whige “woke.”

 

[TomC]

You live in the United States. It is illegal to ask about sexual orientation on a job application.

That isn't what you said.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

You live in the United States. It is illegal to ask about sexual orientation on a job application.

That isn't what you said.
Tom

It is what I said once you realize I responded to what was directly asked. I direct you to post 181 yet again.

 

[pood]

The questions SH asked are none of her business.

What questions did Ms Hussey ask?
Tom

Huh?

 

[laughing dog]

It is not at all surprising to me that the Palace responded the way it did. The UK, indeed the entire Anglosphere, is in hair-trigger readiness to avoid the stain of being accused of racism.

Has it occurred to you that there is a possibility that the Lady Hussey and/or the palace personnel know more about what happened than you?

Well, I suspect Hussey knows more about it than I do, since she was a first party to the event. But we don't have Hussey's response or comments to the event.

You "suspect"? Wow.

 

[TomC]

The questions SH asked are none of her business.

What questions did Ms Hussey ask?
Tom

Huh?

I asked a question.

You don't have an answer more clear than "Huh?".

I don't know what Ms Hussey asked or said. Neither does anyone on IIDB. The best anyone has is Fulani's recollections.
Tom

 

[TomC]

It is not at all surprising to me that the Palace responded the way it did. The UK, indeed the entire Anglosphere, is in hair-trigger readiness to avoid the stain of being accused of racism.

Has it occurred to you that there is a possibility that the Lady Hussey and/or the palace personnel know more about what happened than you?

Well, I suspect Hussey knows more about it than I do, since she was a first party to the event. But we don't have Hussey's response or comments to the event.

You "suspect"? Wow.

You really don't know what the word means?
Tom

 

[Metaphor]

It is not at all surprising to me that the Palace responded the way it did. The UK, indeed the entire Anglosphere, is in hair-trigger readiness to avoid the stain of being accused of racism.

Has it occurred to you that there is a possibility that the Lady Hussey and/or the palace personnel know more about what happened than you?

Well, I suspect Hussey knows more about it than I do, since she was a first party to the event. But we don't have Hussey's response or comments to the event.

You "suspect"? Wow.

Wow! I'm glad at your age you can still feel a sense of wonder, even at completely innocuous words.

 

[laughing dog]

It is not at all surprising to me that the Palace responded the way it did. The UK, indeed the entire Anglosphere, is in hair-trigger readiness to avoid the stain of being accused of racism.

Has it occurred to you that there is a possibility that the Lady Hussey and/or the palace personnel know more about what happened than you?

Well, I suspect Hussey knows more about it than I do, since she was a first party to the event. But we don't have Hussey's response or comments to the event.

You "suspect"? Wow.

You really don't know what the word means?
Tom

I do. Apparently you don't. It means to have an idea but not to know for sure.

 

[pood]

The questions SH asked are none of her business.

What questions did Ms Hussey ask?
Tom

Huh?

I asked a question.

You don't have an answer more clear than "Huh?".

I don't know what Ms Hussey asked or said. Neither does anyone on IIDB. The best anyone has is Fulani's recollections.
Tom

The questions were listed in the OP. If Lady What’s Her Ass disputes them, I sure she would have said so by now. Are you suggesting that Fulani is a liar? If so, what is your evidence for this? Obviously it’s par for the course for right wingers to assume that black people are lying. I get that.

Meanwhile, a British black person weighs in on the whole affair, and correctly calls for abolishing the British monarchy.

 

[TomC]

Obviously it’s par for the course for right wingers to assume that black people are lying.

Right winger?
Are you referring to me?

Lying? Did I say that?

Are you capable of responding to what I actually post, or are you only capable of making up stuff, attributing it to me, and talking about that?
Tom

 

[Metaphor]

It is not at all surprising to me that the Palace responded the way it did. The UK, indeed the entire Anglosphere, is in hair-trigger readiness to avoid the stain of being accused of racism.

Has it occurred to you that there is a possibility that the Lady Hussey and/or the palace personnel know more about what happened than you?

Well, I suspect Hussey knows more about it than I do, since she was a first party to the event. But we don't have Hussey's response or comments to the event.

You "suspect"? Wow.

You really don't know what the word means?
Tom

I do. Apparently you don't. It means to have an idea but not to know for sure.

laughing dog, I'm going to express an opinion here: your relentless attacks on me are obsessive and deranged.

I could also have said "I'll bet she knows more", which is another way of saying "Yes, she knows more and I am confident of that".

Please find below the definition of the verb 'suspect', which laughing dog thought warranted a 'wow'.

suspect
verb [ T ]


uk

/səˈspekt/ us

/səˈspekt/

suspect verb [T] (THINK LIKELY)​

B2
to think or believe something to be true or probable:
So far, the police do not suspect foul play.
[ + (that) ] We had no reason to suspect (that) he might try to kill himself.
"Do you think she'll have told them?" "I suspect not/so."

And - by the way - it would not be unreasonable for Hussey to know even less than I do. She may not remember the conversation at all. She probably interacted with dozens of people and is in her 80s.

 

[laughing dog]

It is not at all surprising to me that the Palace responded the way it did. The UK, indeed the entire Anglosphere, is in hair-trigger readiness to avoid the stain of being accused of racism.

Has it occurred to you that there is a possibility that the Lady Hussey and/or the palace personnel know more about what happened than you?

Well, I suspect Hussey knows more about it than I do, since she was a first party to the event. But we don't have Hussey's response or comments to the event.

You "suspect"? Wow.

Wow! I'm glad at your age you can still feel a sense of wonder, even at completely innocuous words.

I am just holding you to the same pedantic standards you apply to everyone else. Frankly, the "Wow

It is not at all surprising to me that the Palace responded the way it did. The UK, indeed the entire Anglosphere, is in hair-trigger readiness to avoid the stain of being accused of racism.

Has it occurred to you that there is a possibility that the Lady Hussey and/or the palace personnel know more about what happened than you?

Well, I suspect Hussey knows more about it than I do, since she was a first party to the event. But we don't have Hussey's response or comments to the event.

You "suspect"? Wow.

Wow! I'm glad at your age you can still feel a sense of wonder, even at completely innocuous words.

Unadulterated arrogance always astounds me.

 

[Copernicus]

I don't understand why so much fuss is being made about Fulani's reaction, her choice of clothing, and that fact that she had changed her name.

No fuss is being made over Fulani's name change and choice of clothing at all, certainly not by anyone on this board, except to object that I ever mentioned it. The reason I mentioned it is in the OP.

The fact that you mentioned her clothing style and name change did kind of stand out to me. Why would that bother you? AFAIK, Lady Hussey didn't even know she had changed her name and didn't mention her clothing choices. So it did look to me like you were making a fuss by bringing in irrelevant details that had nothing really to do with the scandal per se. Were you just trying to make the case that Fulani was the one with a bad attitude? I have no reason to believe that she would have been anything but delighted to have a civil conversation with Lady Hussey that did not involve going over her family background and origins.

None of this should make any difference at all, given that Lady Hussey wasn't just white woman asking awkward questions. She was a representative of Buckingham Palace and the staff that was hosting the conference. Moreover, others who witnessed the conversation also felt that Fulani was being treated rudely.

Did they?

Apparently. The two that I've seen mentioned were Mandu Reid, leader of the Women's Equality Party, and Nazir Afzal, Chancellor of the University of Manchester. However, I don't know whether Afzal actually witnessed the exchange. He said that Lady Hussey had also asked him about his origins and put her off by saying "Manchester currently". But he told reporters: "racism is never far away".

Fulani's initial response was to say that she was from "Sistah Space"--the organization that she was representing at the event--but Lady Hussey was clearly interested in her racial background and her immigration status. So she wasn't just being rude to an attendee at the event she was supposed to be helping with, but she ended up completely upstaging it by embarrassing the royal family, which was already reeling from charges of racism in the press.

What is significant here is that Lady Hussey quickly resigned, probably at the request of the royals, and Buckingham Palace apologized to Fulani for the way she was treated. A spokesman for Prince William himself said:

“Racism has no place in our society, these comments were unacceptable. It’s right that the individual concerned has stepped down.”

So the real scandal isn't about Fulani's reaction. The main scandal is that Lady Hussey, a formerly distinguished official in Buckingham Palace, was so insensitive as to harrass a woman whom she apparently felt was not fully entitled to be there because of the way that woman looked to her. And then there is the scandal that so many have rushed to defend Hussey's behavior as somehow just a little rude rather than insultingly racist. Buckingham Palace and the royals actually admitted that it was racist.

It is not at all surprising to me that the Palace responded the way it did. The UK, indeed the entire Anglosphere, is in hair-trigger readiness to avoid the stain of being accused of racism.

So you think they were just being insincere when they apologized and characterized Lady Hussey's behavior as "racism"? Everyone was just pretending that it was racist because they were too afraid to say otherwise? I take their apologies at face value, so we'll just have to disagree on that. I understand that you and a few others here don't see Lady Hussey's behavior as racist, even though most people seem to agree with Buckingham Palace, the Royal Family, most UK government officials, and the press that it was.

 

[TomC]

If Lady What’s Her Ass disputes them, I sure she would have said so by now.

Maybe Ms Hussey isn't an attention whore and professional victim.

That would explain why Fulani is all over the media and Hussey is not.
Tom

 

[Metaphor]

It is not at all surprising to me that the Palace responded the way it did. The UK, indeed the entire Anglosphere, is in hair-trigger readiness to avoid the stain of being accused of racism.

Has it occurred to you that there is a possibility that the Lady Hussey and/or the palace personnel know more about what happened than you?

Well, I suspect Hussey knows more about it than I do, since she was a first party to the event. But we don't have Hussey's response or comments to the event.

You "suspect"? Wow.

Wow! I'm glad at your age you can still feel a sense of wonder, even at completely innocuous words.

I am just holding you to the same pedantic standards you apply to everyone else. Frankly, the "Wow

I know you feel the desperate urge to criticise my every post, but at least have the patience to finish your thoughts before you post.

It is not at all surprising to me that the Palace responded the way it did. The UK, indeed the entire Anglosphere, is in hair-trigger readiness to avoid the stain of being accused of racism.

Has it occurred to you that there is a possibility that the Lady Hussey and/or the palace personnel know more about what happened than you?

Well, I suspect Hussey knows more about it than I do, since she was a first party to the event. But we don't have Hussey's response or comments to the event.

You "suspect"? Wow.

Wow! I'm glad at your age you can still feel a sense of wonder, even at completely innocuous words.

Unadulterated arrogance always astounds me.

That is a very good opening line for a patter song. The assonance is *chef's kiss*.

 

[TomC]

So you think they were just being insincere when they apologized and characterized Lady Hussey's behavior as "racism"?

"Sincerity" isn't part of any PR department's portfolio.

Damage control is.
Tom

 

[pood]

Obviously it’s par for the course for right wingers to assume that black people are lying.

Right winger?
Are you referring to me?

Lying? Did I say that?

Are you capable of responding to what I actually post, or are you only capable of making up stuff, attributing it to me, and talking about that?
Tom

What are you talking about? You asked me what what “Lady“ What’s Her Ass asked Fulani. The questions are right there in the OP. That’s why I initially responded “huh?” — I couldn’t understand if maybe you had failed to read the account. You then said you didn’t know what the “Lady” asked or said, notwithstanding that the Q and A is right there in the OP. It sure sounds to me that you are at least implying that Fulani is lying. If not, what are you suggesting? And yes, I think, based on your posts, that you are a right winger, at least by my lights.