Politics Where are you really from?

[thebeave]

We seem to have a rather schizophrenic attitude when it comes to race and ethnic origins. One the one hand, its apparently uncool for Hussey to enquire about Fulani's ethnic origins. And in fact, its considered "racist". But when it comes to hiring someone or admitting them to, say, medical school, it seems to be very important to know this information. So, I'm kind of curious how someone who hires employees or admits medical students handles these types of questions during an interview. For example, as an interviewer, do you get to ask things like, "What kind of Asian are you? Because, we have too many Chinese here, but very few Vietnamese, so I want to make sure "your people" came from Vietnam originally, and not China." Or do you have to find out in a more roundabout way? Like ask if they prefer pho or chop suey. Or what if you want a gay person? There would be a similar problem there, wouldn't there? If you need to hire a gay guy for DEI purposes, can you ask him directly if he likes dick? Or do you have to just guess he's gay, based on his lisp and swishy walk? This is all very confusing.

Your response is proof it is very confusing for you.

Asking once is not the issue. It is not accepting the answer and persisting that is

But what if the applicant responds with, "I'm 100% American. I was born here."? Do you shut down the interview and send them home, or persist with the question until you get the answer you're looking for?

 

[ZiprHead]

I did not say that nor do I think that.

I notice you feel the need to say that quite a lot. Have you ever wondered why?

I only ever need to say it on this message board. Have you ever wondered why?

I have no experience with you on any other message board, social media, or real life so I cannot say.

Have you ever wondered why you have to say that so often here? Better?

 

[Metaphor]

I did not say that nor do I think that.

I notice you feel the need to say that quite a lot. Have you ever wondered why?

I only ever need to say it on this message board. Have you ever wondered why?

I cannot speak for others, but there are plenty of explanations that come to mind such as
1) you exaggerate about only on this board,
2) your style loses lucidity in print in these types of discussions,
3) this forum is not your echo chamber?
4) your other audiences are more timid in disagreeing with such a dogmatic moralist,
5) other audiences are smarter,
6)your other audiences know the hopelessness of these types of discussions with you, or
7)others don’t care enough to enquirer.

I am confident that with some serious introspection, you can come up with others.

Oh definitely. In fact, I do have a theory on why I need to say it here and nowhere else.

 

[TomC]

I did not say that nor do I think that.

I notice you feel the need to say that quite a lot. Have you ever wondered why?

Because IIDB members commonly make demonstrably false statements about other members.

This is just one example.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

We seem to have a rather schizophrenic attitude when it comes to race and ethnic origins. One the one hand, its apparently uncool for Hussey to enquire about Fulani's ethnic origins. And in fact, its considered "racist". But when it comes to hiring someone or admitting them to, say, medical school, it seems to be very important to know this information. So, I'm kind of curious how someone who hires employees or admits medical students handles these types of questions during an interview. For example, as an interviewer, do you get to ask things like, "What kind of Asian are you? Because, we have too many Chinese here, but very few Vietnamese, so I want to make sure "your people" came from Vietnam originally, and not China." Or do you have to find out in a more roundabout way? Like ask if they prefer pho or chop suey. Or what if you want a gay person? There would be a similar problem there, wouldn't there? If you need to hire a gay guy for DEI purposes, can you ask him directly if he likes dick? Or do you have to just guess he's gay, based on his lisp and swishy walk? This is all very confusing.

Your response is proof it is very confusing for you.

Asking once is not the issue. It is not accepting the answer and persisting that is

But what if the applicant responds with, "I'm 100% American. I was born here."? Do you shut down the interview and send them home, or persist with the question until you get the answer you're looking for?

First, it is illegal to ask about sexual orientation. Second, you accept the answer and move on.

 

[Metaphor]

I did not say that nor do I think that.

I notice you feel the need to say that quite a lot. Have you ever wondered why?

I only ever need to say it on this message board. Have you ever wondered why?

I have no experience with you on any other message board, social media, or real life so I cannot say.

Have you ever wondered why you have to say that so often here? Better?

Because the people here tend to have different political leanings to my own, and the people here are emboldened by the social reinforcement they get for espousing the 'correct' narrative, and the people here have prejudices about my opinion, and would prefer to argue against a strawman fantasy version of it.

 

[TomC]

First, it is illegal to ask about sexual orientation.

Where?
I don't know of a place.

Secondly, why did you change the subject to orientation?
Tom

 

[Metaphor]

First, it is illegal to ask about sexual orientation.

Where?
I don't know of a place.

Secondly, why did you change the subject to orientation?
Tom

Because saying 'sexual preference' is a sign of the devil and has been ever since the instant in time in 2020 when Amy Coney Barrett said it.

 

[Copernicus]

I don't understand why so much fuss is being made about Fulani's reaction, her choice of clothing, and that fact that she had changed her name. None of this should make any difference at all, given that Lady Hussey wasn't just white woman asking awkward questions. She was a representative of Buckingham Palace and the staff that was hosting the conference. Moreover, others who witnessed the conversation also felt that Fulani was being treated rudely.

Fulani's initial response was to say that she was from "Sistah Space"--the organization that she was representing at the event--but Lady Hussey was clearly interested in her racial background and her immigration status. So she wasn't just being rude to an attendee at the event she was supposed to be helping with, but she ended up completely upstaging it by embarrassing the royal family, which was already reeling from charges of racism in the press.

What is significant here is that Lady Hussey quickly resigned, probably at the request of the royals, and Buckingham Palace apologized to Fulani for the way she was treated. A spokesman for Prince William himself said:

“Racism has no place in our society, these comments were unacceptable. It’s right that the individual concerned has stepped down.”

So the real scandal isn't about Fulani's reaction. The main scandal is that Lady Hussey, a formerly distinguished official in Buckingham Palace, was so insensitive as to harrass a woman whom she apparently felt was not fully entitled to be there because of the way that woman looked to her. And then there is the scandal that so many have rushed to defend Hussey's behavior as somehow just a little rude rather than insultingly racist. Buckingham Palace and the royals actually admitted that it was racist.

 

[TomC]

I don't understand why so much fuss is being made about Fulani's reaction, her choice of clothing, and that fact that she had changed her name.

What fuss is there, other than Fulina going on the news and social media?

Fulani is making the fuss.
Tom

 

[Metaphor]

I don't understand why so much fuss is being made about Fulani's reaction, her choice of clothing, and that fact that she had changed her name.

No fuss is being made over Fulani's name change and choice of clothing at all, certainly not by anyone on this board, except to object that I ever mentioned it. The reason I mentioned it is in the OP.

None of this should make any difference at all, given that Lady Hussey wasn't just white woman asking awkward questions. She was a representative of Buckingham Palace and the staff that was hosting the conference. Moreover, others who witnessed the conversation also felt that Fulani was being treated rudely.

Did they?

Fulani's initial response was to say that she was from "Sistah Space"--the organization that she was representing at the event--but Lady Hussey was clearly interested in her racial background and her immigration status. So she wasn't just being rude to an attendee at the event she was supposed to be helping with, but she ended up completely upstaging it by embarrassing the royal family, which was already reeling from charges of racism in the press.

What is significant here is that Lady Hussey quickly resigned, probably at the request of the royals, and Buckingham Palace apologized to Fulani for the way she was treated. A spokesman for Prince William himself said:

“Racism has no place in our society, these comments were unacceptable. It’s right that the individual concerned has stepped down.”

So the real scandal isn't about Fulani's reaction. The main scandal is that Lady Hussey, a formerly distinguished official in Buckingham Palace, was so insensitive as to harrass a woman whom she apparently felt was not fully entitled to be there because of the way that woman looked to her. And then there is the scandal that so many have rushed to defend Hussey's behavior as somehow just a little rude rather than insultingly racist. Buckingham Palace and the royals actually admitted that it was racist.

It is not at all surprising to me that the Palace responded the way it did. The UK, indeed the entire Anglosphere, is in hair-trigger readiness to avoid the stain of being accused of racism.

 

[Toni]

I don't understand why so much fuss is being made about Fulani's reaction, her choice of clothing, and that fact that she had changed her name.

What fuss is there, other than Fulina going on the news and social media?

Fulani is making the fuss.
Tom

Silly woman. She should just put up with the racist quizzing by an elderly woman in a professional setting.

That part keeps being overlooked: this was not some over sensitive woman publicly embarrassing a guest or host at a social gathering for being a bit out of touch with modern thinking and relying too heavily on the privileges afforded someone of her age and social standing. This exchange happened in a professional setting.

 

[pood]

Looking at the exchange between SH and Fulani, Fulani is being evasive, difficult and playing games. SH was having none of it and wouldn't back down which pissed off Fulani and she starts screaming about racism and abuse.

Evasive, difficult and playing games? The questions SH asked are none of her business. “Fuck off” would have been a perfectly appropriarte response to these questions. Trust the right wingers to defend a racist. Every time.

 

[Metaphor]

Looking at the exchange between SH and Fulani, Fulani is being evasive, difficult and playing games. SH was having none of it and wouldn't back down which pissed off Fulani and she starts screaming about racism and abuse.

Evasive, difficult and playing games? The questions SH asked are none of her business. “Fuck off” would have been a perfectly appropriarte response to these questions. Trust the right wingers to defend a racist. Every time.

I do not see enquiring about somebody's cultural and ethnic heritage as racist. I've been on the receiving end of such enquiries hundreds of times.

 

[laughing dog]

It is not at all surprising to me that the Palace responded the way it did. The UK, indeed the entire Anglosphere, is in hair-trigger readiness to avoid the stain of being accused of racism.

Has it occurred to you that there is a possibility that the Lady Hussey and/or the palace personnel know more about what happened than you?

 

[laughing dog]

I don't understand why so much fuss is being made about Fulani's reaction, her choice of clothing, and that fact that she had changed her name.

What fuss is there, other than Fulina going on the news and social media?

Fulani is making the fuss.
Tom

Not in this thread.

 

[Metaphor]

I don't understand why so much fuss is being made about Fulani's reaction, her choice of clothing, and that fact that she had changed her name.

What fuss is there, other than Fulina going on the news and social media?

Fulani is making the fuss.
Tom

Silly woman. She should just put up with the racist quizzing by an elderly woman in a professional setting.

That part keeps being overlooked: this was not some over sensitive woman publicly embarrassing a guest or host at a social gathering for being a bit out of touch with modern thinking and relying too heavily on the privileges afforded someone of her age and social standing. This exchange happened in a professional setting.

Toni, people in workplaces are allowed to enquire about the cultural and ethnic heritage of other people. It happens in my workplace. It happens everywhere.

 

[TomC]

Silly woman. She should just put up with the racist quizzing by an elderly woman in a professional setting.

Silly woman.
She should put up with a professional victim who will take her case to the court of The Internet.

That part keeps being overlooked: this was not some over sensitive woman publicly embarrassing a guest or host at a social gathering for being a bit out of touch with modern thinking and relying too heavily on the privileges afforded someone of her age and social standing. This exchange happened in a professional setting.

What exchange?

You are clearly assuming that Fulani's version of what happened is true and complete.
Accurate.

Why is that?
Tom

 

[Metaphor]

It is not at all surprising to me that the Palace responded the way it did. The UK, indeed the entire Anglosphere, is in hair-trigger readiness to avoid the stain of being accused of racism.

Has it occurred to you that there is a possibility that the Lady Hussey and/or the palace personnel know more about what happened than you?

Well, I suspect Hussey knows more about it than I do, since she was a first party to the event. But we don't have Hussey's response or comments to the event.

 

[TomC]

I don't understand why so much fuss is being made about Fulani's reaction, her choice of clothing, and that fact that she had changed her name.

What fuss is there, other than Fulina going on the news and social media?

Fulani is making the fuss.
Tom

Not in this thread.

I read the OP.
Tom