Politics Where are you really from?

[laughing dog]

Sure Jan. You just took it out of the sentence I used it in, put it in inverted quotas, and followed up with 'wow'.

That wasn't an attack. That was you expressing your admiration of my correct use of the verb 'suspect'.

I was impressed by the boldness of your position. Your word choice was truly revealing. Not as revealing as your response about possibly knowing more about the incident than Lady Hussey because she is old and talked to a lot of people.

I intend to call out your deranged compulsion with attacking every post I make.

No need to exaggerate. I do not respond to every post you make, let alone attack the ones to which I respond.

When you fling such hyperbolic accusations, you really undermine the effect.

 

[ZiprHead]

I did not say that nor do I think that.

I notice you feel the need to say that quite a lot. Have you ever wondered why?

Because IIDB members commonly make demonstrably false statements about other members.

This is just one example.
Tom

What false statement about another member is in the sentence I wrote above?

There was not one in that sentence.
Tom

Then why did you say "This is just one example." in response to my post?

I was referring to the post that Metaphor was quoting.

IIDB members commonly post demonstrably false statements about other posters. That's what Metaphor and I were referring to.
Not that one post you made.

Strange way to say "My apology for inferring it was you that made a false statement."

 

[TomC]

Strange way to say "My apology for inferring it was you that made a false statement."

And once again.
Members make up stuff, attribute it to me, and talk about that.

Instead of anything I did post.
Tom

 

[Metaphor]

Being proud of one's ethnic and cultural heritage is not usually considered a bad thing.

Who said it was a bad thing? Why do you repeatedly accuse me of having a 'problem' with it? I told you why I brought it up.

Hussey was not enquiring her about her name or her clothing. She was asking whether Fulani was even British

No she didn't. When Hussey heard Fulani's nationality, she did not question it. Hussey's national citizenship wasn't Hussey's enquiry.

and where she was "really from". Most people don't see that as a normal or polite way to start up a conversation with a stranger.

Is there anybody on the thread who doesn't think Hussey's line of questioning was rude and oblivious?

All I know is what I read in the news. I provided you with a link to my source, which called her an "eyewitness".

Yes, I can see that now.

"offensive, racist and unwelcoming".

If the exchange is exactly as Fulani recounts, I don't see how it is racist, for the reason I've already given. If there was something additional that Reid witnessed, the source doesn't say what it is.

Absolutely not. She had been a highly respected member of Buckingham Palace and the late Queen, so it would have been safer for them to use more neutral language. It certainly upset a lot of conservatives like yourself. You were so upset that you started a thread on the issue.

...what? I think we are talking at cross purposes. I believe it was safer for the Palace to throw Hussey under the bus--which is what they did--even if they did not think the incident was racist.

Actually, I see it differently. I think it took courage for them to admit that it was racist and to have her resign her position.

I think their action took the least amount of courage possible. It seems to me the easiest possible course of action that inflicts the least possible stain on the Palace.

I'm glad that Buckingham Palace and the Royals are taking this incident far more seriously than you are. They understand exactly how bad it looked. I don't think that you do, however.

Oh? I understand exactly how bad this looks for the Palace. Accusations of racism have an extreme amount of cultural purchase in the Anglosphere. The path of least resistance, whether the Palace believes it or not, is to do exactly what it did.

 

[ZiprHead]

Strange way to say "My apology for inferring it was you that made a false statement."

And once again.
Members make up stuff, attribute it to me, and talk about that.

Instead of anything I did post.
Tom

 

[pood]

Oh, I see. Now the black person is an attention whore. My goodness, how revealing.

And once again.
You make up stuff, attribute it to me, ignore what I actually said, and start in with the character assertions.

Tom

Oh, puh-lease! You wrote:

Maybe Ms Hussey isn't an attention whore and professional victim.

Anyone who can rub two neurons together will take this at least as implying that Fulani is an attention whore. Please drop the disingenuousness.

”And once again …” I did what, now? l refer you back to post 228.

 

[Metaphor]

I was impressed by the boldness of your position.

You were impressed by the fact that I believe Hussey knows more than I do about the exchange? Wow.

suspect
verb [ T ]
uk
/səˈspekt/ us
/səˈspekt/
suspect verb [T] (THINK LIKELY)
B2
to think or believe something to be true or probable:

Your word choice was truly revealing.

It certainly revealed your compulsion to attack me over anything, and that you don't seem to be able to control that impulse, even when you are demonstrably and laughably wrong.

Not as revealing as your response about possibly knowing more about the incident than Lady Hussey because she is old and talked to a lot of people.

Yes, there is that possibility.

When you fling such hyperbolic accusations, you really undermine the effect.

Hyperbole has never been used to such great, lasting, and wondrous effect as when I use it.

 

[pood]

I don't understand why so much fuss is being made about Fulani's reaction, her choice of clothing, and that fact that she had changed her name.

What fuss is there, other than Fulina going on the news and social media?

Fulani is making the fuss.
Tom

Silly woman. She should just put up with the racist quizzing by an elderly woman in a professional setting.

That part keeps being overlooked: this was not however, the people in question were not coworkers. some over sensitive woman publicly embarrassing a guest or host at a social gathering for being a bit out of touch with modern thinking and relying too heavily on the privileges afforded someone of her age and social standing. This exchange happened in a professional setting.

Toni, people in workplaces are allowed to enquire about the cultural and ethnic heritage of other people. It happens in my workplace. It happens everywhere.

It does indeed!

However the two women were not coworkers talking over coffee in the break room. One was representing the Royal Family at an official function and was quizzing the other to prove her theory that she wasn’t really British.

Your characterisation of Hussey's motives are your own.

But you DO know her true motives, right? And of course you think they were somehow benign. Because of course you think that.

 

[TomC]

But you DO know her true motives, right? And of course you think they were somehow benign. Because of course you think that.

Who on this forum is claiming to even know Hussey's exact words, much less her motivations?
It wasn't me.
Tom

 

[Metaphor]

But you DO know her true motives, right? And of course you think they were somehow benign. Because of course you think that.

I think Hussey wanted to know Fulani's ethnic and cultural origins. That seems evident to me because Hussey said 'I knew we'd get there' when she heard it, and the exchange ended.

 

[pood]

But you DO know her true motives, right? And of course you think they were somehow benign. Because of course you think that.

Who on this forum is claiming to even know Hussey's exact words, much less her motivations?
It wasn't me.
Tom

Were you planning to reply to this post?

 

[pood]

But you DO know her true motives, right? And of course you think they were somehow benign. Because of course you think that.

I think Hussey wanted to know Fulani's ethnic and cultural origins. That seems evident to me because Hussey said 'I knew we'd get there' when she heard it, and the exchange ended.

And what business was it of hers what Fulani’s ethnic and cultural origins are?

 

[Metaphor]

But you DO know her true motives, right? And of course you think they were somehow benign. Because of course you think that.

I think Hussey wanted to know Fulani's ethnic and cultural origins. That seems evident to me because Hussey said 'I knew we'd get there' when she heard it, and the exchange ended.

And what business was it of hers what Fulani’s ethnic and cultural origins are?

I'm not going to climb on this merry-go-round again. You can get vertigo all on your own.

 

[TomC]

But you DO know her true motives, right? And of course you think they were somehow benign. Because of course you think that.

Who on this forum is claiming to even know Hussey's exact words, much less her motivations?
It wasn't me.
Tom

Were you planning to reply to this post?

Did you post it?
Tom

 

[pood]

But you DO know her true motives, right? And of course you think they were somehow benign. Because of course you think that.

I think Hussey wanted to know Fulani's ethnic and cultural origins. That seems evident to me because Hussey said 'I knew we'd get there' when she heard it, and the exchange ended.

And what business was it of hers what Fulani’s ethnic and cultural origins are?

I'm not going to climb on this merry-go-round again. You can get vertigo all on your own.

Ran out of answers, eh?

 

[Metaphor]

But you DO know her true motives, right? And of course you think they were somehow benign. Because of course you think that.

I think Hussey wanted to know Fulani's ethnic and cultural origins. That seems evident to me because Hussey said 'I knew we'd get there' when she heard it, and the exchange ended.

And what business was it of hers what Fulani’s ethnic and cultural origins are?

I'm not going to climb on this merry-go-round again. You can get vertigo all on your own.

Ran out of answers, eh?

No, I'm tired of repeating myself.

 

[pood]

But you DO know her true motives, right? And of course you think they were somehow benign. Because of course you think that.

Who on this forum is claiming to even know Hussey's exact words, much less her motivations?
It wasn't me.
Tom

Were you planning to reply to this post?

Did you post it?
Tom

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Are you playing some silly game here? You know exactly what I’m talking about. You accused me of attributing to you a question you say you never asked. In the linked post, I proved that you did in fact ask it.

 

[pood]

But you DO know her true motives, right? And of course you think they were somehow benign. Because of course you think that.

I think Hussey wanted to know Fulani's ethnic and cultural origins. That seems evident to me because Hussey said 'I knew we'd get there' when she heard it, and the exchange ended.

And what business was it of hers what Fulani’s ethnic and cultural origins are?

I'm not going to climb on this merry-go-round again. You can get vertigo all on your own.

Ran out of answers, eh?

No, I'm tired of repeating myself.

Sure, Jan.

 

[Jarhyn]

Doubting what someone says is an expression of disrespect, especially when you publicly express it repeatedly.

It is in material effect, no matter the intent, to cause those around to infer additional doubt and suspicion on that person.

It is in this way definitionally, to treat someone as suspect.

And then to repeatedly do it?

That is an attack.

If I saw this happen in front of me, I would lose respect for the person who took that but did not respond with a slap.

If the person so slapped asked me "why did they slap me" I would respond "because you attacked their honesty, for no good reason, with no proof of anything but your own haughtiness, in public. You should be glad that's all they did after you attacked them."

 

[TomC]

Are you playing some silly game here? You know exactly what I’m talking about.

No I'm not playing a silly game with you.
That's why I asked.
No, I cannot know exactly what you're talking about, because you rarely say. You usually make up stuff, attribute it to other posters, then want to talk about that.
Tom