Elixir
Made in America
Kudos! I have feeling I’ll be stealing that for multiple re-use.Schrödinger's scandal
Kudos! I have feeling I’ll be stealing that for multiple re-use.Schrödinger's scandal
Life is a Rorschach test. Your reality is what you perceive of it, and you perceive your own reality. People who see molestation in a kiss on a son's cheek are the people we need to worry might molest their sons... because it is what is on their minds.
OK.
I don't remember my dad showing me any physical affection past diaper age.
Now I'm queer as a three dollar bill.
Anybody want to discuss that?
Tom
I'm a little different in this respect... I am revolted by "male" same-sex displays of romantic affection... I have a reflexive "ick" response. I wouldn't go so far as to call it "uncontrollable", but I experience it.. Not the case with two same-sex "females".. that (I am not ashamed to admit) is HOT. Why? Well, women are attractive to me.. and two are twice as attractive... men are unattractive to me, and two men doubly so.OK.
I don't remember my dad showing me any physical affection past diaper age.
Now I'm queer as a three dollar bill.
Anybody want to discuss that?
Tom
I got zero affection and near zero attention at all from my dad before he died when I was 9.
I'm as straight (sexual preference-wise) as they come - zero physical attraction to the same sex and an overdrive attraction to the opposite one.
Is THAT worthy of discussion?
I think this is about people who have an uncontrollable revulsion that is triggered by any display of affection between people of the same sex - as if it was any of their business, or of any consequence to them (or anyone else besides those involved). It is such an uncontrolled reaction that it occurs even when a dad kisses a son on the cheek. IMHO, THAT is a dangerous irrationality that should be discussed, whereas our individual preferences or the roots thereof, are not.
I used to be pretty much the same way but as same sex relations between men get more common in the media the ick factor for me has eased quite a bit.I'm a little different in this respect... I am revolted by "male" same-sex displays of romantic affection... I have a reflexive "ick" response. I wouldn't go so far as to call it "uncontrollable", but I experience it.. Not the case with two same-sex "females".. that (I am not ashamed to admit) is HOT. Why? Well, women are attractive to me.. and two are twice as attractive... men are unattractive to me, and two men doubly so.OK.
I don't remember my dad showing me any physical affection past diaper age.
Now I'm queer as a three dollar bill.
Anybody want to discuss that?
Tom
I got zero affection and near zero attention at all from my dad before he died when I was 9.
I'm as straight (sexual preference-wise) as they come - zero physical attraction to the same sex and an overdrive attraction to the opposite one.
Is THAT worthy of discussion?
I think this is about people who have an uncontrollable revulsion that is triggered by any display of affection between people of the same sex - as if it was any of their business, or of any consequence to them (or anyone else besides those involved). It is such an uncontrolled reaction that it occurs even when a dad kisses a son on the cheek. IMHO, THAT is a dangerous irrationality that should be discussed, whereas our individual preferences or the roots thereof, are not.
My father expressed affection towards me in what I would call a pretty standard American cultural way... through emotional and financial support and kind, empathetic words and actions... an occasional hug.. no kisses. Kissing family members is more a European thing in my estimation also... but its not "gay" or "predatory" in any stretch of a normal person's imagination.
Very similar with me! Zero affection with Dad. Very hetro. BTW: I'm extremely close with my kids. We ski together, hike, fish, sail, kayak and you name it. I tell my daughters that I love them at least once a day. Never discussed it with my dad, that just wasn't his style. I was raised in a conservative household. But no one in my family ever cared about gays. Our next door neighbors were a lesbian couple that were like second family to us. Anyway, never have understood why some people get so up in arms over other people's sex lives.OK.
I don't remember my dad showing me any physical affection past diaper age.
Now I'm queer as a three dollar bill.
Anybody want to discuss that?
Tom
I got zero affection and near zero attention at all from my dad before he died when I was 9.
I'm as straight (sexual preference-wise) as they come - zero physical attraction to the same sex and an overdrive attraction to the opposite one.
Is THAT worthy of discussion?
I think this is about people who have an uncontrollable revulsion that is triggered by any display of affection between people of the same sex - as if it was any of their business, or of any consequence to them (or anyone else besides those involved). It is such an uncontrolled reaction that it occurs even when a dad kisses a son on the cheek. IMHO, THAT is a dangerous irrationality that should be discussed, whereas our individual preferences or the roots thereof, are not.
That applies to me as well. My disgust at male-male affections has faded and so has my slavering desire for lesbians, after slaking that thirst and never finding it satisfying.I used to be pretty much the same way but as same sex relations between men get more common in the media the ick factor for me has eased quite a bit.I'm a little different in this respect... I am revolted by "male" same-sex displays of romantic affection... I have a reflexive "ick" response. I wouldn't go so far as to call it "uncontrollable", but I experience it.. Not the case with two same-sex "females".. that (I am not ashamed to admit) is HOT. Why? Well, women are attractive to me.. and two are twice as attractive... men are unattractive to me, and two men doubly so.OK.
I don't remember my dad showing me any physical affection past diaper age.
Now I'm queer as a three dollar bill.
Anybody want to discuss that?
Tom
I got zero affection and near zero attention at all from my dad before he died when I was 9.
I'm as straight (sexual preference-wise) as they come - zero physical attraction to the same sex and an overdrive attraction to the opposite one.
Is THAT worthy of discussion?
I think this is about people who have an uncontrollable revulsion that is triggered by any display of affection between people of the same sex - as if it was any of their business, or of any consequence to them (or anyone else besides those involved). It is such an uncontrolled reaction that it occurs even when a dad kisses a son on the cheek. IMHO, THAT is a dangerous irrationality that should be discussed, whereas our individual preferences or the roots thereof, are not.
My father expressed affection towards me in what I would call a pretty standard American cultural way... through emotional and financial support and kind, empathetic words and actions... an occasional hug.. no kisses. Kissing family members is more a European thing in my estimation also... but its not "gay" or "predatory" in any stretch of a normal person's imagination.
Yes... media has perhaps desensitized some to it more than others - also depends on which media-pseudo-reality one consumes. Funny, my wife was just watching the movie A Clockwork Orange last night... reminding me that one can be desensitized to anything.. anything at all... and then its called Brainwashing.I used to be pretty much the same way but as same sex relations between men get more common in the media the ick factor for me has eased quite a bit.I'm a little different in this respect... I am revolted by "male" same-sex displays of romantic affection... I have a reflexive "ick" response. I wouldn't go so far as to call it "uncontrollable", but I experience it.. Not the case with two same-sex "females".. that (I am not ashamed to admit) is HOT. Why? Well, women are attractive to me.. and two are twice as attractive... men are unattractive to me, and two men doubly so.OK.
I don't remember my dad showing me any physical affection past diaper age.
Now I'm queer as a three dollar bill.
Anybody want to discuss that?
Tom
I got zero affection and near zero attention at all from my dad before he died when I was 9.
I'm as straight (sexual preference-wise) as they come - zero physical attraction to the same sex and an overdrive attraction to the opposite one.
Is THAT worthy of discussion?
I think this is about people who have an uncontrollable revulsion that is triggered by any display of affection between people of the same sex - as if it was any of their business, or of any consequence to them (or anyone else besides those involved). It is such an uncontrolled reaction that it occurs even when a dad kisses a son on the cheek. IMHO, THAT is a dangerous irrationality that should be discussed, whereas our individual preferences or the roots thereof, are not.
My father expressed affection towards me in what I would call a pretty standard American cultural way... through emotional and financial support and kind, empathetic words and actions... an occasional hug.. no kisses. Kissing family members is more a European thing in my estimation also... but its not "gay" or "predatory" in any stretch of a normal person's imagination.
I don't ever even remember ever sitting on my father's lap. He worked 2nd shift so he was gone before I got home from school and home after I went to bed. He got more approachable after he retired but I don't remember any actual affection.
Still icks me but I know that's my failing, not them doing anything wrong. Ick isn't proof of wrong.I used to be pretty much the same way but as same sex relations between men get more common in the media the ick factor for me has eased quite a bit.
That was part of it for me too.Still icks me but I know that's my failing, not them doing anything wrong. Ick isn't proof of wrong.I used to be pretty much the same way but as same sex relations between men get more common in the media the ick factor for me has eased quite a bit.