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2023 House vote for speaker

 
 
 
jonatha said:
The last time there was a protracted disagreement about who should be speaker (shortly before the Civil War) they wound up voting to change the rules to "most votes wins" rather than "majority required".

Seems unlikely at this point, but who knows...
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more than unlikely.. a catch-22 impossibility, as I understand it... Without a speaker, a vote cannot be called... so a vote to change the rules on how a speaker gets named is technically impossible until a speaker is named.... right?
 
blastula said:
After McCarthy and Jeffries nominations, Chip Roy nominated Byron Donalds, whom he voted for yesterday. Donalds is a black Republican, and so of course Roy has to give a cringey "content of character" sound bite.
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I'm sure he thinks Donalds is "well spoken".
 
Still in the Cs, Donalds has five votes and McCarthy is sunk again. Though Donalds has not gained any new defectors yet.
 
Gun Nut said:
jonatha said:
The last time there was a protracted disagreement about who should be speaker (shortly before the Civil War) they wound up voting to change the rules to "most votes wins" rather than "majority required".

Seems unlikely at this point, but who knows...
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more than unlikely.. a catch-22 impossibility, as I understand it... Without a speaker, a vote cannot be called... so a vote to change the rules on how a speaker gets named is technically impossible until a speaker is named.... right?
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I think once it goes to the floor, things can change... but the trouble is, the Republicans lack the votes to get anyone across, because it is 99.999999999999999999% certain they aren't going to cross the aisle and work with the Democrats to get a Speaker elected. Any attempt to go with the plurality vote will not lead to a situation where McCarthy and the whacko wing of the GOP would be certain Jeffries wouldn't win. I certainly don't know. It'd be the mother of all gambles.

So the question at the moment is does McCarthy lose any votes. If he doesn't, then we go back to the breath holding toddlers. What is their resolve if it becomes clear they can't win outright... is McCarthy not winning their version of winning, regardless its impact?
 
Gun Nut said:
jonatha said:
The last time there was a protracted disagreement about who should be speaker (shortly before the Civil War) they wound up voting to change the rules to "most votes wins" rather than "majority required".

Seems unlikely at this point, but who knows...
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more than unlikely.. a catch-22 impossibility, as I understand it... Without a speaker, a vote cannot be called... so a vote to change the rules on how a speaker gets named is technically impossible until a speaker is named.... right?
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Well, they did it in 1855 (?)...
 
Elixir said:
blastula said:
the Never McCarthys would probably block that
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Those are "Never Kevins".
It's disrespectful to ignore a well crafted bit of alliteration.
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.. then it would have to be "Never Kevers".. which serves to correctly form the alliteration AND converts the proper noun to an adverb for a bit more "action" in the label.
 
The NY TImes notes Donalds received 74 votes in an attempt to replace Stefanik as the #3 in the party. That is about 1/3 the GOP membership in the House. Likely just half of the treasonist wing of the party. His vote tally doesn't seem to imply he'll even get that "large" of support for Speaker.
jonatha said:
Gun Nut said:
jonatha said:
The last time there was a protracted disagreement about who should be speaker (shortly before the Civil War) they wound up voting to change the rules to "most votes wins" rather than "majority required".

Seems unlikely at this point, but who knows...
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more than unlikely.. a catch-22 impossibility, as I understand it... Without a speaker, a vote cannot be called... so a vote to change the rules on how a speaker gets named is technically impossible until a speaker is named.... right?
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Well, they did it in 1855 (?)...
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There were three parties in the House in 1855. So the voting dynamics are completely different. I would say, the GOP today does share quite a bit in common with the Know Nothings.
 
I think it's clear at this point that the Never Kevins are not interested in any concessions from McCarthy, they just hate the guy himself and really will never vote for him.
 
Almost done and Donalds has the same 20 defector votes.

Oh, there was one last minute present vote from Republican Spartz. She didn't vote during the initial roll call. So McCarthy only got 201 votes this time.

Present votes from Republicans don't help McCarthy unless it's from a defector. Enough present votes from McCarthy voters would make Jeffries speaker. Would take 11 such present votes by my count.
 
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So fourth vote, and only two people went from McCarthy to not McCarthy since the first vote. Spartz is from Ukraine. No idea if that has any impact on the present vote. Need 12 GOP Presents to get Jeffries across? (434-12)/2+1 = 212
 
I think it takes 11 of those present votes, which would make 423 total voters.
 
blastula said:
I think it takes 11 of those present votes, which would make 423 total voters.
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Half of 423 would get rounded up.

Gaetz still looking like he can't believe Jordan isn't buying the "Five Jew Bankers" conspiracy theory.
 
With 423 voters, Jeffries would win 212 to 211 against. He wouldn't need to win 213 to 210. Just needs to win by one vote.
 
The fifth round has started and Donalds is getting the defector votes again. However, I believe there's been a couple of non-voters so far, which is what Spartz did, till they went back to her at the end when she voted present.
 
blastula said:
The fifth round has started and Donalds is getting the defector votes again. However, I believe there's been a couple of non-voters so far, which is what Spartz did, till they went back to her at the end when she voted present.
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Michael Cloud missed his roll call vote. TBD what happens there.
 
This is starting to sound like the old definition of crazy. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
 
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