So true.
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If you cannot understand how unleashed pentup rage and frustration would result in more violence in the geographical community, there is nothing I can do to help you understand.
Of course, you have not explained how a reduced police presence caused black people to kill each other more, so I think your response is a bit hypocritical.
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None of them or all of them.
That just doesn't make any sense.
Easy. When the cops pull back, make fewer arrests, then criminals are more embolden to carry guns and engage in crime.
Enough with the handwaving.None of them or all of them.
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Enough with the closed mindedness.
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To you.
Do you have any evidence to support your hand waving that the jump is do solely to emboldened criminals ?Laughing Dog said:
The timing and the race of the victims. Still no one offers an alternative explanation for why May 2020 starts the carnage.
The family unit is fucked, the community is fucked. I know, because I along with other black people are dealing with it. I wouldn't go as far as saying slavery is the cause of every crime committed by black people today because that would be a lie. However that ugly history does serve as a handicap in ways more complex than I or one of the charts you share can explain. My only failure on this forum is not being able to quantify the unquantifiable. I do hope to succeed in getting some people to consider that there is more going on here than young black males just waking up one day and deciding they want to live the life of crime for the hell of it or because of some genetic disposition. There are conditions being met that can better be described as parts of the ingredients in this recipe for disaster.
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Why would the race of the victims be evidence that the jump is due solely to emboldened criminals.
That is a blatantly false statement. The fact you dismiss an explanation is evidence of alternatives.Oleg said:
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You said before BLM was out murdering all these people. Now you're saying starting May 2020, cops decided not to do their jobs in black neighborhoods. Is that what you're saying now?
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The black community you see today. There history began with images like the ones you see above. Their ties to their African heritage was stripped of them. So that history is all they have. Your culture has a history too. One you are proud of at times and others you aren't so proud of. It's a history you benefit from today. Whether it was the Capture of Fort Ticonderoga, Siege of Boston, Battle of Frankfurt.. the list goes on. My people, African Americans'? Our history is above because the prior was stripped away. We can through research know our history but our family and community is rooted in slavery. Most of us (and the rest of us by force) adopted your history as our own while recognising our leaders along the way Like Malcom X, Martin Luther King, Frederick Douglass and Maria Louise Baldwin to name a few well knowns. That's just they way I see it. Many people disagree with me from all races (my own included). I respect and understand their opinions but I call it how I see it.
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Here's another hypothesis. It has been established that there was more firearm access because people were buying more guns. That created more means for homicides.
Additionally, as the pandemic started spreading, police were getting covid. They then were quarantined. Co-workers who came in contact with infected were probably also limited by policy. You can expect these occurences to be more prevalent in higher population density areas.
Additionally, as the pandemic started spreading, police were getting covid. They then were quarantined. Co-workers who came in contact with infected were probably also limited by policy. You can expect these occurences to be more prevalent in higher population density areas.
Oleg repeatedly mentions that young black males have high self esteem. While that may be true, I don't believe that self esteem is rooted in self love and a sense of ownership and pride in their own community. The proof? Black and black crime. What I see in the community I'm involved in (The Pine Hills area in Orlando Florida) is the sort of self esteem that's is all about the self. It's more a disguise that got stuck after wearing it too long. Many of the youth I deal with lack love for their hometown outside of the gang. They have no sense of ownership, their parents (or caretakers) and most of their neighbors are renters. They were engaged or watched by the police more frequently then you can imagine before gang activity which left them with the sense that they don't belong here. They aren't smart. Not in the least bit. The white word for them is... snollygoster. That's partially the reason they drifted into crime. The other part was wolf pack related. It's the you join a gang or your get fucked up by one. It's like being in prison. The police has a strong enforcement presence, however they have a community engagement presence that leaves a lot to be desired. I'd be lying if I said the Orange County Sheriff's department is not trying. They are making strong efforts, and I respect and love them for that. Their community events however well organised doesn't attract the people I consider should be their focus. Maybe it's just me, but the community I'm talking about is not coming to you, you need to come to them. Don't be afraid to throw a Halloween event in the middle of the hood. Leave your police station sometimes. 
I forgot why I started writing all this....... I think I had too much to drink.
I forgot why I started writing all this....... I think I had too much to drink.
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No. It is an insane conspiracy theory. How many unarmed black people were killed by the police last year; the year before; and so on? You'd think it'sthousands based on the rhetoric. But it's not. Lying to people to get them upset over something that isn't true gets you this:
So the increase started in February 2020.
How did this February 2020 trend effect the outcome of Tyre Nichols' encounter with the police, i.e. the topic of the thread?
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#BLM formed out of the Martin murder. Why is it that the crime stats seem to be cyclical, then bump up right at the time there is a GLOBAL PANDEMIC?
Also, how is #BLM responsible for motor vehicle accidents that follow a similar trend. What those two charts tell me is that whites were less engaged during the spring causing this bump.
Also, how is #BLM responsible for motor vehicle accidents that follow a similar trend. What those two charts tell me is that whites were less engaged during the spring causing this bump.
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This one spikes and then returns back to normal by October. And also during a multi-generational unique global health emergency.
The allegation is that police policy to step back led to the increase. Did the please step back in by October?
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This one spikes and then returns back to normal by October. And also during a multi-generational unique global health emergency.
The allegation is that police policy to step back led to the increase. Did the please step back in by October?
I'd be wary about interpreting this graph. It implies it is US cities, but I suspect it is a select group of cities only. It may be from someone selecting cities with an ideological narrative in mind. Perhaps, Oleg can explain. There is a peak in July 2020 that if you compare to the other graphs from CDC, it matches. The interesting thing there is increasing trend starts in Feb 2020 across US.
IMO the increases in homicides is a combination of many things, not just one singular issue. The pandemic effected prison and jail occupancy which effected arrests and incarceration decisions. A few officers fucked up at their jobs leading to BLM protests. BLM protests (thanks to the assholes who took advantage to loot and burn) effected the community & police engagement, which in turn increased private gun sales, uncertainty and tensions in the community. The media beating drums & droning on about it from all angles. This all created the perfect environment for criminals with violent tendencies to believe they'd less likely be caught because everyone is busy. It's simular to that feeling you have when approaching a police car on the side of the road at speed. Your instinct is to slow down, but if they're already busy with another traffic stop, you're like, pfft fuck it.