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7 Habits of Highly Affected Racialists

It's okay with me if you define it for your answer. Then you'll be sure to have it right.

I define racism on an individual level - a moral belief that some races (or ethnic groups) are, because of their genes, morally superior and/or inferior to other races. Unwarranted, unfair, and unreasonable actions taken to harm other individuals based on those beliefs are racist actions.

I do not define racism in one of the broader quasi-Marxist sociological context, one as a phenomenon that exists without conscious belief in either an individual or institution. Racism is in the hearts of individuals, it is not a “structural” or “institutional” flaw of "the system".

<snip ... good stuff, can return to it, but above seems to be the heart of your argument.>

Is that sufficient for discussion, or do you have objections?

I don't have objections to your definition of an individual's racism. I know, hard to believe.

And I don't have any problem with the idea that there are very few people left who believe in the racism that you defined.

What I can't do is accept that there is no social or institutional context to racism. Where do you think that racism comes from? How does one become a racist?

Is it an inbred human condition, one that comes from the genes? This is a rhetorical question. Hopefully.

And if individuals can somehow become racists without learning it from society, what is there preventing individual racists from influencing society? Say by electing other racists to office where the elected to office racists would consciously or unconsciously write their racism into society's laws? Say, as a wild example, to separate children by race in education. (This actually happened)

If there is no social or institutional racism, and people grouped together in races don't exhibit natural, inbred characteristics, why are there so many more poor minorities?

Any finally, if what you say is true, what use is the very concept embodied in the word "race?"

My take on all of the above. I am not a Socratic method enthusiast.

Racism is primarily a social and institutional phenomenon. A person has to be taught to be a racist.

Our main problem today with racism isn't with the handful of overt racists, it is with the legacy of 400 years of legal, institutional racism. This always was and continues to be today a tremendous waste of human potential.

So many minorities are poor because their parents and grandparents were forced into poverty by this legal, institutional racism. And it is very hard to work oneself out of poverty. Not impossible but very hard to do.

We would be better off as a nation if it were easier to and more of the talented poor could do it. Likewise it would be better for our nation if more of the untalented children of our wealthy would be forced out into the lower income and wealth brackets commensurate with their modest abilities where they could cause less damage, think George W. Bush.

Our problem is with poverty, not racism. There is no reason that we have to tolerate poverty and the problems associated with it, crime, drug addiction, etc. We are the wealthiest nation on earth. Other nations with lower per capita income and resources have effectively eliminated poverty.

But the disproportionate number of minorities trapped in poverty isn't the only lingering effect of legalized racism that we suffer from today. In order to increase income inequity, a decision that we made in the 1980's, the goal to eliminate poverty had to be abandoned as well, of course, as the goal to help the poor minorities recover from the legacy of the legal racism.

In addition, in order to build an electoral coalition to support increasing income inequity, wage suppression is never a popular electoral strategy, diverse groups for whom there are more important issues than poverty and their own wages had to be brought in. One of these groups in 1980 was made up of the overt racists. But these people were not very popular with the majority of Americans so a meme had to be formulated to accommodate the overt racists. A meme that at its most basic level would allow good people to accept bad people. In a word, lies.

It is the elements of this meme which we see repeated everyday here. A kind of soft racism from people who are not real racists. The irony is that while the number of real overt racists has continued to decline we are left with this soft racism, which while not driven by the discredited theories of racism still has the same effects as the overt legal racism of the past.

This is the way that I see the problem today, not as fundamentally one of racism but part of a larger problem in which race has as it always has, been caught up in and in which the minorities once again have been forced to suffer disproportionately, because they are the ones with the least power to change their circumstance.
 
So many minorities are poor because their parents and grandparents were forced into poverty by this legal, institutional racism. And it is very hard to work oneself out of poverty. Not impossible but very hard to do.

-snip-

Our problem is with poverty, not racism. There is no reason that we have to tolerate poverty and the problems associated with it, crime, drug addiction, etc. We are the wealthiest nation on earth. Other nations with lower per capita income and resources have effectively eliminated poverty.

QFT.
 
Our problem is with poverty, not racism.

QFT.

Egad, it's #3.

Oh, boy! Let's all play Fun With Abusing Context!

My turn:

dismal said:
You... mean ... white person ... you were doing ... Athena.

Saying ... this whiteness ...didn't apply.

You ... Racialist.

I understand Athena ... said something ...mean ... to ... white people ... and ... My ... want to ... mount ... Davka.

I'm saying ... my... behavior ... is ... about ... denial.

Don't blame me, I'm ... for shit.

Sometimes ... you can't say ... White People is harmful and destructive. I ... should be free to ... lash out with personal attacks.

I'm ... so asinine.

:D
 
So if I hyper focus on the minutiae, "Our problem is with poverty, not racism." will magickally transform itself into "Our problem is with poverty, not racism."

It was the "not" that tricked me into thinking it was a #3, I think.
 
So if I hyper focus on the minutiae, "Our problem is with poverty, not racism." will magickally transform itself into "Our problem is with poverty, not racism."

It was the "not" that tricked me into thinking it was a #3, I think.

No, it was your deliberate removal of the context of the post that showed your ass.
 
So if I hyper focus on the minutiae, "Our problem is with poverty, not racism." will magickally transform itself into "Our problem is with poverty, not racism."

It was the "not" that tricked me into thinking it was a #3, I think.

No, it was your deliberate removal of the context of the post that showed your ass.

Yes, somehow I missed that the context made the "not" go away and caused the sentence to mean its opposite. "our problem is not racism" + ***context*** = "our problem is racism".
 
No, it was your deliberate removal of the context of the post that showed your ass.

Yes, somehow I missed that the context made the "not" go away and caused the sentence to mean its opposite. "our problem is not racism" + ***context*** = "our problem is racism".

"Somehow" you missed the entire paragraph before that one. You know, the one that illustrates how very deceptive you are attempting to be, yet failing miserably? The one that talks about where the poverty came from in the first fucking place?

That one. The one you snipped on purpose, in order to make it seem that I said something else. Seems to be a common tactic of yours. It's the sort of thing that a blatantly dishonest rightwing fucktard might do, or a lowlife arsewipe jerk who had no life.
 
Yes, somehow I missed that the context made the "not" go away and caused the sentence to mean its opposite. "our problem is not racism" + ***context*** = "our problem is racism".

"Somehow" you missed the entire paragraph before that one. You know, the one that illustrates how very deceptive you are attempting to be, yet failing miserably? The one that talks about where the poverty came from in the first fucking place?

That one. The one you snipped on purpose, in order to make it seem that I said something else. Seems to be a common tactic of yours. It's the sort of thing that a blatantly dishonest rightwing fucktard might do, or a lowlife arsewipe jerk who had no life.

Explain to me how it makes the "not" go away.
 
"Somehow" you missed the entire paragraph before that one. You know, the one that illustrates how very deceptive you are attempting to be, yet failing miserably? The one that talks about where the poverty came from in the first fucking place?

That one. The one you snipped on purpose, in order to make it seem that I said something else. Seems to be a common tactic of yours. It's the sort of thing that a blatantly dishonest rightwing fucktard might do, or a lowlife arsewipe jerk who had no life.

Explain to me how it makes the "not" go away.

How interesting. First you waste an entire two pages pretending that you don't understand what a strawman is, only to finally expose the fact that you knew all along. Now you deliberately remove all context from a post, and claim to be incapable of understanding how the context might affect the meaning of the words you ripped bleeding from the post and verbally raped in order to play a juvenile game of "gotcha." Your continued use of weaselly word-games strikes me as the sort of thing that a useless dickwad troll might do in order to attempt to elicit flames. You would never troll for flames, would you?
 
Explain to me how it makes the "not" go away.

How interesting. First you waste an entire two pages pretending that you don't understand what a strawman is, only to finally expose the fact that you knew all along. Now you deliberately remove all context from a post, and claim to be incapable of understanding how the context might affect the meaning of the words you ripped bleeding from the post and verbally raped in order to play a juvenile game of "gotcha." Your continued use of weaselly word-games strikes me as the sort of thing that a useless dickwad troll might do in order to attempt to elicit flames. You would never troll for flames, would you?

Are you or are you not taking the position that the context somehow changes "Our problem is with poverty, not racism." to "Our problem is with racism"?

And, if you are taking that position (which it seems to me you are.)

1) I have not created a strawman
2) I have asked you to support your position by explaining how the context makes the "not" go away. I don't see how it does.
 
So many minorities are poor because their parents and grandparents were forced into poverty by this legal, institutional racism. And it is very hard to work oneself out of poverty. Not impossible but very hard to do.

-snip-

Our problem is with poverty, not racism. There is no reason that we have to tolerate poverty and the problems associated with it, crime, drug addiction, etc. We are the wealthiest nation on earth. Other nations with lower per capita income and resources have effectively eliminated poverty.

QFT.

Quadratic Frobenius Test or Quantum Field Theory? I am afraid that neither make sense. Or perhaps something like Quite (the) F*cking Truth?
 
The problem is racism and along with that, the stubbornness of its adherents. The OP covered a variety of means used by racialists or racists to maintain their condition. If it were not for things like the seven points in the OP, racism would die the death of a rag doll, then we might also cope with poverty. What I have observed here is a struggle for the right to maintain racial prejudice...as if maintaining this would somehow benefit the human race. I remember when some journalist asked Dubbiya what he regarded as the greatest mistake he had had made and he denied he had made any mistakes. Of course that drew a lot of belly laughs, but in reality, it was quite a disheartening thing to see. It also was frightening to realize our leaders can get away with that and continue to carry on imagining they are always right. Cheney does this regularly to this day. It is their dysfunction that tortured and killed thousands of human beings and continues to ruin lives. Racism is the same kind of disregard for human lives as that carried on by Cheney and Bush. Racial prejudice has no legitimacy in a mixed society such as ours and we need to press to eradicate it every place it exists. There are no technical reasons to not do so that are anything but a cover to continue racist policies and practices.
 
How interesting. First you waste an entire two pages pretending that you don't understand what a strawman is, only to finally expose the fact that you knew all along. Now you deliberately remove all context from a post, and claim to be incapable of understanding how the context might affect the meaning of the words you ripped bleeding from the post and verbally raped in order to play a juvenile game of "gotcha." Your continued use of weaselly word-games strikes me as the sort of thing that a useless dickwad troll might do in order to attempt to elicit flames. You would never troll for flames, would you?

Are you or are you not taking the position that the context somehow changes "Our problem is with poverty, not racism." to "Our problem is with racism"?

Are you or are you not taking the position that "So many minorities are poor because their parents and grandparents were forced into poverty by this legal, institutional racism. And it is very hard to work oneself out of poverty. Not impossible but very hard to do." has no bearing whatsoever on what you ripped bleeding from it's context?

Because if you are pretending that the placement of this quote directly prior to the one which you tore in half and isolated as if it was a standalone quote makes no difference whatsoever to the meaning of the entire quote,Edited Because those are the kinds of games that are played by sociopathic racist cunts that the world would be far better off without.
 
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Not at all. I was pointing out that you were assuming your conclusion in your argument.

Nope. I was asking a question. One which you appear to be afraid to answer.

Loren doesn't answer questions, post sources, or confront his demons. He makes statements born of his faith in the status quo, and his worship of authority, and then he runs from any truth not his own.
 
Are you or are you not taking the position that the context somehow changes "Our problem is with poverty, not racism." to "Our problem is with racism"?

Are you or are you not taking the position that "So many minorities are poor because their parents and grandparents were forced into poverty by this legal, institutional racism. And it is very hard to work oneself out of poverty. Not impossible but very hard to do." has no bearing whatsoever on what you ripped bleeding from it's context?

Because if you are pretending that the placement of this quote directly prior to the one which you tore in half and isolated as if it was a standalone quote makes no difference whatsoever to the meaning of the entire quote,Edited Because those are the kinds of games that are played by sociopathic racist cunts that the world would be far better off without.

The parents and grandparents thing is classic #3. It's like the problem of racism disappeared sometime between Martin Luther King and the election of Obama.
 
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