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7 Habits of Highly Affected Racialists

Davka

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1. Rejecting and Mocking Accepted Sociological Terminology. Although the study of racism and racial bigotry has been part of the social sciences for decades, Highly Affected Racialists either studiously ignore the accepted terminology, or pretend not to understand it. An example of this is the word “racism” itself, which is defined as power plus racial bigotry. Highly Affected racialists either ignore this definition or call it “ludicrous,” in spite of the fact that, once understood, the concept is self-evident.1 This allows for the strengthening of another habit:

2. Accuse Minorities of Racism. This is a classic “tu quoque” argument, known on playgrounds across the nation as “well, you do it too!,” sometimes known as the :he hit me back first!” defense. This ignores the fact that racism cannot be practiced by powerless minorities against powerful minorities.1

3. Racism Denial. Highly Affected Racialists assert often, loudly, and confidently that racism is no longer a problem, and therefore cannot be at the root of any social ills in America. Whenever anything newsworthy occurs which appears to be steeped in racism, characterize it as an isolated incident. Individual racists may be admitted to exist, but the institution of racism must be assumed to have vanished completely at some vague, indeterminate time between the assassination of MLK Jr. and the election of President Obama.

4. Appeal to (pseudo)Science. The attempt to “prove” scientifically and/or logically that minority races are inherently inferior goes back as far as racism itself. Despite the fact that every single scientific justification for racism has been debunked numerous times, Highly Affected Racialists continue to return to this well, press-ganging genetics, statistics, and anthropology (among others) into the service of their bankrupt worldview.

5. Hyperfocus on Minutiae. Whenever a newsworthy race-related atrocity hits the media, Highly Affected Racialists spring into action to deflect the conversation away from the dangerous ground of societal wrongs, and onto the irrelevant “facts of the case.” This allows them to ignore the way that these incidents fit into the larger context of institutionalized racism, thus avoiding any potential learning opportunities. Instead of talking about how White America interacts with the Darker Nation, Highly Affected racialists can argue for hours, even days, about whether the policeman in question has a history of racism; whether the dead or injured black male was acting in a threatening manner; whether the DNA in the lab fits the witness reports, and on and on.

6. The “Not All X” Defense. This is another tactic for deflecting the conversation away from the very real problem of racism in America. Any time that widespread racism is brought up, the Highly Affected Racialist can be heard to say “that’s not fair, not all white people are racist,” or “not all police are racist,” or some similar sentiment. This is a strawman argument, since nobody is actually arguing that all of any group are racist. This technique can be found in other arguments by bigots, in forms such as “not all men are rapists.” “not all rich business owners are greedy assholes,” “not all conservatives are misogynists,” and so on.

7. Redefining Racism. This is an ironic habit, and one which many Highly Affected Racialists no doubt find hilarious. At the same time that the accepted sociological definition of racism is tossed aside as “too narrow” or simply “ludicrous,” Highly Affected racialists will tell you that, since they never ever use the “n-word,” and they don’t “hate” minorities, therefore they cannot be racists. Never mind that they regularly utilize every single one of these 7 habits; never mind that they ‘wouldn’t want their sister to marry one,” they don’t hate, tell racist jokes, or use slurs. All they want is to be left alone.




1. The sociological definition of racism can be seen most clearly by examining the root of American racism during the days of slavery. Racism involves the following: hatred of or disdain for a minority group; feelings of superiority over a minority group; active participation in a system which harms and diminishes a minority group. While there were no doubt numerous slaves who hated all white people, as well as many who felt themselves superior to white people, these attitudes did not affect the well-being of white people one bit. Slaves could hate all they wanted, but their hatred was not the problem. In fact, their hatred was a direct result of the problem, which was the racism of the white people who made the institution of slavery possible – and later the institutions of sharecropping, Jim Crow, Segregation, and lynching. The hatred of the oppressed for the oppressor does not equal racism. It may well be characterized as racial bigotry, but it is not racism.​
 
If you wrote this, all credit due for excellent work. If you discovered this and claimed it for yourself, how cleverly white of you.
 
You should have added that they oppose UHC. No, the person my not be seeking the office of grand imperial wizard of the KKK, he's just another racist.
 
Also, if a white guy says he has black friends, then that means he's probably racist. At least that's what I was told. I don't follow the logic in it, but I guess I go along with it...so that I don't seem racist myself. I guess you can put that up as #8 on your list.
 
Also, if a white guy says he has black friends, then that means he's probably racist.
All my friends are assholes, especially the black ones. Ok, that isn't true, the Italians are the worse. Although maybe the Sicilians are the worse among that branch. Ok, and my Hispanic friends are all very kind, so not all my friends are assholes. And in fact, my black friends aren't really assholes either. So it's definitely Sicilians. They are assholes. But not all of them. Just my one close friend, who isn't really an asshole, but may be a bit off his rocker. So... ok, my Polish friend is an asshole. Definitely. But it's on purpose, so it's funny.
 
Also, if a white guy says he has black friends, then that means he's probably racist. At least that's what I was told. I don't follow the logic in it, but I guess I go along with it...so that I don't seem racist myself. I guess you can put that up as #8 on your list.

I have black friends who are quite racist. They are my friends because I'm not like all the other white men.
 
Also, if a white guy says he has black friends, then that means he's probably racist. At least that's what I was told. I don't follow the logic in it, but I guess I go along with it...so that I don't seem racist myself. I guess you can put that up as #8 on your list.

I have black friends who are quite racist. They are my friends because I'm not like all the other white men.

Keep telling yourself that. Honky.
 
If you wrote this, all credit due for excellent work. If you discovered this and claimed it for yourself, how cleverly white of you.

I was wondering that myself--but Google says it's not plagiarized.

1. Rejecting and Mocking Accepted Sociological Terminology. Although the study of racism and racial bigotry has been part of the social sciences for decades, Highly Affected Racialists either studiously ignore the accepted terminology, or pretend not to understand it. An example of this is the word “racism” itself, which is defined as power plus racial bigotry. Highly Affected racialists either ignore this definition or call it “ludicrous,” in spite of the fact that, once understood, the concept is self-evident.1 This allows for the strengthening of another habit:

We aren't trying to redefine it, rather we are recognizing that power is an individual thing. Even someone of generally low power can be the person in power in a given interaction and thus has the potential to engage in racism.

2. Accuse Minorities of Racism. This is a classic “tu quoque” argument, known on playgrounds across the nation as “well, you do it too!,” sometimes known as the :he hit me back first!” defense. This ignores the fact that racism cannot be practiced by powerless minorities against powerful minorities.1

And minorities are somehow immune to being racist???

Simple example: Multiple times my wife has encountered objections from other Chinese people for marrying outside her race. (And the really strange one: She was ok with it until she found out it was a marriage for love, not a green card marriage.) I have relatives over in China that I have never met and probably never will because of this. (Because a relative on the chain between us and them feels they would lose face if they knew I'm not Chinese.)

There have been lawsuits because black managers were firing any whites under them and replacing them with blacks. Is that not the sort of thing that AA was supposed to put a stop to??

3. Racism Denial. Highly Affected Racialists assert often, loudly, and confidently that racism is no longer a problem, and therefore cannot be at the root of any social ills in America. Whenever anything newsworthy occurs which appears to be steeped in racism, characterize it as an isolated incident. Individual racists may be admitted to exist, but the institution of racism must be assumed to have vanished completely at some vague, indeterminate time between the assassination of MLK Jr. and the election of President Obama.

This is a circular argument--you're assuming you're right and thus consider it proof that your opponents are racists.

4. Appeal to (pseudo)Science. The attempt to “prove” scientifically and/or logically that minority races are inherently inferior goes back as far as racism itself. Despite the fact that every single scientific justification for racism has been debunked numerous times, Highly Affected Racialists continue to return to this well, press-ganging genetics, statistics, and anthropology (among others) into the service of their bankrupt worldview.

Other than the KKK types I see very little of this--they keyword here is "inherently". This is related to your problem with #3--you assume you're right and any differences are the result of racism. Your position leaves no room for non-inherent differences--namely, culture.

5. Hyperfocus on Minutiae. Whenever a newsworthy race-related atrocity hits the media, Highly Affected Racialists spring into action to deflect the conversation away from the dangerous ground of societal wrongs, and onto the irrelevant “facts of the case.” This allows them to ignore the way that these incidents fit into the larger context of institutionalized racism, thus avoiding any potential learning opportunities. Instead of talking about how White America interacts with the Darker Nation, Highly Affected racialists can argue for hours, even days, about whether the policeman in question has a history of racism; whether the dead or injured black male was acting in a threatening manner; whether the DNA in the lab fits the witness reports, and on and on.

Most of those "race-related atrocities" don't stand up to scrutiny.
 
1. [2. Accuse Minorities of Racism. This is a classic “tu quoque” argument, known on playgrounds across the nation as “well, you do it too!,” sometimes known as the :he hit me back first!” defense. This ignores the fact that racism cannot be practiced by powerless minorities against powerful minorities.1[/INDENT]

I disagree. Anybody can be a racist. Just because a person is not a member of a ethnic minority does not mean that they can not racists.
 
I don't have any black friends, but I do have a gay friend. He lives in New York so he probably has black friends.
 
I like this. You beg the question or assert the premise as a conclusion, and then also assert anyone who fails to agree with your premises/conclusions is a racialist which is an ad hominem.

Yep. You list your conclusion of racism as "defined as power plus racial bigotry" when it is in fact "racial bigotry" alone and you added the power aspect to it. That is a conclusion you should prove, but instead you assert it as a defined premise. And anyone who disagrees with you, calling you out on begging the question, is a "racialist."

Even more interesting is that anyone who points out minorities being racist is accused of "tu quoque" which means you are saying "if you accuse that person of racism it means you are a racist." So the only way to not be a racist is to assert that minorities are never racist. Yet a racist statement is one that makes sweeping generalizations about racial groups - and that means the person saying "minorities are never racist" is making a racist statement. Of course anyone who points that out is a "racialist."

You then go on to list actual examples of racism, invoking "guilt by association" fallacy, saying that those who aren't racist but disagree with points one and two are also guilty of points three through seven. And therefore "racialist", ad hominem.
 
I don't have any black friends, but I do have a gay friend. He lives in New York so he probably has black friends.

Actually, I have a black, gay female friend. And a black, straight female friend too. The guy who cuts my hair is Vietnamese. I guess I better stop talking about my non-white friends. I don't want people to think I'm a racialist.
 
1. Rejecting and Mocking Accepted Sociological Terminology. Although the study of racism and racial bigotry has been part of the social sciences for decades, Highly Affected Racialists either studiously ignore the accepted terminology, or pretend not to understand it. An example of this is the word “racism” itself, which is defined as power plus racial bigotry. Highly Affected racialists either ignore this definition or call it “ludicrous,” in spite of the fact that, once understood, the concept is self-evident.1 This allows for the strengthening of another habit:

We aren't trying to redefine it, rather we are recognizing that power is an individual thing. Even someone of generally low power can be the person in power in a given interaction and thus has the potential to engage in racism.

And by "we" you mean "Highly Affected Racialists"?

Thanks for admitting you're part of that group. Self-awareness is the first step toward recovery.

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4. Appeal to (pseudo)Science. The attempt to “prove” scientifically and/or logically that minority races are inherently inferior goes back as far as racism itself. Despite the fact that every single scientific justification for racism has been debunked numerous times, Highly Affected Racialists continue to return to this well, press-ganging genetics, statistics, and anthropology (among others) into the service of their bankrupt worldview.

Other than the KKK types I see very little of this--they keyword here is "inherently". This is related to your problem with #3--you assume you're right and any differences are the result of racism. Your position leaves no room for non-inherent differences--namely, culture.

Apparently you weren't paying attention during the whole "crime gene" discussion where max, Axulus, and a couple of others were doing just that.
 
I was wondering that myself--but Google says it's not plagiarized.

i keep telling you people, I majored in Journalism, and made my living in the field for a number of years. I cans write goodlyness, rilly I cans. Yes, I wrote it.

1. Rejecting and Mocking Accepted Sociological Terminology. Although the study of racism and racial bigotry has been part of the social sciences for decades, Highly Affected Racialists either studiously ignore the accepted terminology, or pretend not to understand it. An example of this is the word “racism” itself, which is defined as power plus racial bigotry. Highly Affected racialists either ignore this definition or call it “ludicrous,” in spite of the fact that, once understood, the concept is self-evident.1 This allows for the strengthening of another habit:

We aren't trying to redefine it, rather we are recognizing that power is an individual thing. Even someone of generally low power can be the person in power in a given interaction and thus has the potential to engage in racism.

This is not generally the tack taken by Highly Affected Racialists. The simple act of accepting the sociological definition of racism is a step away from racialism, and towards reality. It's easier to see that power is needed if you start from the premise that racism "yields superiority and privilege for some, and discrimination and oppression for others." Simple hatred and race prejudice alone won't result in discrimination and oppression if the hater has no power to oppress.

2. Accuse Minorities of Racism. This is a classic “tu quoque” argument, known on playgrounds across the nation as “well, you do it too!,” sometimes known as the "he hit me back first!” defense. This ignores the fact that racism cannot be practiced by powerless minorities against powerful minorities.1

And minorities are somehow immune to being racist???
The powerless are immune. They are not immune to race prejudice, but if they are powerless they (obviously) cannot combine their prejudice with power in order to oppress and diminish the object of their prejudice.
3. Racism Denial. Highly Affected Racialists assert often, loudly, and confidently that racism is no longer a problem, and therefore cannot be at the root of any social ills in America. Whenever anything newsworthy occurs which appears to be steeped in racism, characterize it as an isolated incident. Individual racists may be admitted to exist, but the institution of racism must be assumed to have vanished completely at some vague, indeterminate time between the assassination of MLK Jr. and the election of President Obama.

This is a circular argument--you're assuming you're right and thus consider it proof that your opponents are racists.
Racism is real, measurable, and deniable only by those who wish to remain blind to it. Calling the argument "circular" is like a climate-change denier complaining that climatologists are all assuming that climate change is real when they label them "deniers."

4. Appeal to (pseudo)Science. The attempt to “prove” scientifically and/or logically that minority races are inherently inferior goes back as far as racism itself. Despite the fact that every single scientific justification for racism has been debunked numerous times, Highly Affected Racialists continue to return to this well, press-ganging genetics, statistics, and anthropology (among others) into the service of their bankrupt worldview.

Other than the KKK types I see very little of this--they keyword here is "inherently". This is related to your problem with #3--you assume you're right and any differences are the result of racism. Your position leaves no room for non-inherent differences--namely, culture.
No, I'm explaining a specific type of mindset. I have no problem with the idea that culture plays a huge role in the lower socioeconomic status of certain groups of people. "White Trash" is an example of this.

The problem comes when racialists focus on lower socioeconomic status and higher rates of drug abuse as evidence of inherent inferiority. That's bigotry, and when applied to "races" it's racialism. there is an associated hypocritical, intellectually dishonest position, which is that culture alone is responsible for the lower social status of certain people-groups, ignoring the role that institutionalized bigotry plays.

5. Hyperfocus on Minutiae. Whenever a newsworthy race-related atrocity hits the media, Highly Affected Racialists spring into action to deflect the conversation away from the dangerous ground of societal wrongs, and onto the irrelevant “facts of the case.” This allows them to ignore the way that these incidents fit into the larger context of institutionalized racism, thus avoiding any potential learning opportunities. Instead of talking about how White America interacts with the Darker Nation, Highly Affected racialists can argue for hours, even days, about whether the policeman in question has a history of racism; whether the dead or injured black male was acting in a threatening manner; whether the DNA in the lab fits the witness reports, and on and on.

Most of those "race-related atrocities" don't stand up to scrutiny.
Yes, that's exactly what racialists say when they want to deny the problem. Thank you for the example.
 
1. [2. Accuse Minorities of Racism. This is a classic “tu quoque” argument, known on playgrounds across the nation as “well, you do it too!,” sometimes known as the :he hit me back first!” defense. This ignores the fact that racism cannot be practiced by powerless minorities against powerful minorities.1[/INDENT]

I disagree. Anybody can be a racist. Just because a person is not a member of a ethnic minority does not mean that they can not racists.

Thank you for demonstrating habit number 1, Rejecting and Mocking Accepted Sociological Terminology. Perhaps you would do well to read the footnote, and maybe even the link provided here?
 
Even more interesting is that anyone who points out minorities being racist is accused of "tu quoque" which means you are saying "if you accuse that person of racism it means you are a racist." So the only way to not be a racist is to assert that minorities are never racist. Yet a racist statement is one that makes sweeping generalizations about racial groups - and that means the person saying "minorities are never racist" is making a racist statement. Of course anyone who points that out is a "racialist."

Indeed. Good observation. By the logic in the OP it is impossible not to be racist. So long as you are white that is. Non-white can't be racist because you need to have power to be racist, and non-white people can't have power. Otherwise we would have to admit that non-white people can be "racist" and that is an ugly term we don't want applied to us. And anybody who disagrees with our wide sweeping statements about racism is a racialist. It is easier to call somebody a "racialist" than to actually address logic and reason. Now sprinkle in some more random put downs, call people ignorant and not able to engage in adult conversation, and generally try to bully people into abandoning reason. That is what we do on this freethought board.
 
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