Fake Gay Marriage Website and SCOTUS Ruling

[Toni]

A fundamentalist Christian jewelry maker COULD refuse to inscribe those bands with Michael and Tony forever on religious grounds.

I agree that under current interpretation of the law, that is legal. But I think it should not be.

So you believe that anyone can be compelled to create something against their will?

No. I think anyone who engages in commercial/business activity should not be legally allowed to discriminate against others based on their characteristics or beliefs.

So a Jewish jeweler who does custom pieces should be compelled to create a ring with a swastika on it?

A Muslim woman who does body waxing should be compelled to wax the genitals of a man?

 

[TomC]

And what does that have to do with involuntary servitude being enforced by gov't?

Google "her" lawsuit, then get back to me.

If you don't understand why a lawyer filed a lawsuit over a birthday cake then you weren't paying attention.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

A fundamentalist Christian jewelry maker COULD refuse to inscribe those bands with Michael and Tony forever on religious grounds.

I agree that under current interpretation of the law, that is legal. But I think it should not be.

So you believe that anyone can be compelled to create something against their will?

No. I think anyone who engages in commercial/business activity should not be legally allowed to discriminate against others based on their characteristics or beliefs.

So a Jewish jeweler who does custom pieces should be compelled to create a ring with a swastika on it?

A Muslim woman who does body waxing should be compelled to wax the genitals of a man?

If the Muslim woman does male body waxing, then yes.
In my world, the Jewish jeweler would have to make it. They could do a lousy job and/or charge an exorbitant price up front, but yes.

 

[laughing dog]

And what does that have to do with involuntary servitude being enforced by gov't?

Google "her" lawsuit, then get back to me.

If you don't understand why a lawyer filed a lawsuit over a birthday cake then you weren't paying attention.
Tom

You have had 2 chances to answer a simple question, and have failed both times. I am not going on some dumbass scavenger hunt. You are the one who is against involuntary servitude enforced by the gov't. Yet you refuse to explain what you mean.

Of course, you are not really against involuntary servitude enforced by the gov't since you are fine with involuntary servitude for services and goods you feel are essential.

 

[TomC]

If the Muslim woman does male body waxing, then yes.
In my world, the Jewish jeweler would have to make it. They could do a lousy job and/or charge an exorbitant price up front, but yes.

I don't want to live in your world. It sounds as ugly as 1940's Indiana, where people with power could enforce their social norms on everyone.
Tom

 

[Toni]

A fundamentalist Christian jewelry maker COULD refuse to inscribe those bands with Michael and Tony forever on religious grounds.

I agree that under current interpretation of the law, that is legal. But I think it should not be.

So you believe that anyone can be compelled to create something against their will?

No. I think anyone who engages in commercial/business activity should not be legally allowed to discriminate against others based on their characteristics or beliefs.

So a Jewish jeweler who does custom pieces should be compelled to create a ring with a swastika on it?

A Muslim woman who does body waxing should be compelled to wax the genitals of a man?

If the Muslim woman does male body waxing, then yes.
In my world, the Jewish jeweler would have to make it. They could do a lousy job and/or charge an exorbitant price up front, but yes.

I would not want to live in your world where a Nazi could force a Jew to create something that symbolizes the Holocaust. How repugnant.

 

[laughing dog]

A fundamentalist Christian jewelry maker COULD refuse to inscribe those bands with Michael and Tony forever on religious grounds.

I agree that under current interpretation of the law, that is legal. But I think it should not be.

So you believe that anyone can be compelled to create something against their will?

No. I think anyone who engages in commercial/business activity should not be legally allowed to discriminate against others based on their characteristics or beliefs.

So a Jewish jeweler who does custom pieces should be compelled to create a ring with a swastika on it?

A Muslim woman who does body waxing should be compelled to wax the genitals of a man?

If the Muslim woman does male body waxing, then yes.
In my world, the Jewish jeweler would have to make it. They could do a lousy job and/or charge an exorbitant price up front, but yes.

I would not want to live in your world where a Nazi could force a Jew to create something that symbolizes the Holocaust. How repugnant.

Only if the jeweler made swatiskas for non-Nazis.

 

[laughing dog]

If the Muslim woman does male body waxing, then yes.
In my world, the Jewish jeweler would have to make it. They could do a lousy job and/or charge an exorbitant price up front, but yes.

I don't want to live in your world. It sounds as ugly as 1940's Indiana, where people with power could enforce their social norms on everyone.
Tom

That is happening right now with your approval.

 

[ZiprHead]

A fundamentalist Christian jewelry maker COULD refuse to inscribe those bands with Michael and Tony forever on religious grounds.

I agree that under current interpretation of the law, that is legal. But I think it should not be.

So you believe that anyone can be compelled to create something against their will?

No. I think anyone who engages in commercial/business activity should not be legally allowed to discriminate against others based on their characteristics or beliefs.

So a Jewish jeweler who does custom pieces should be compelled to create a ring with a swastika on it?

A Muslim woman who does body waxing should be compelled to wax the genitals of a man?

If the Muslim woman does male body waxing, then yes.
In my world, the Jewish jeweler would have to make it. They could do a lousy job and/or charge an exorbitant price up front, but yes.

I would not want to live in your world where a Nazi could force a Jew to create something that symbolizes the Holocaust. How repugnant.

JFC! Nazis cannot compel anyone to do anything. They are not protected.

 

[TomC]

That is happening right now with your approval.

It is definitely happening. But not with my approval.
From the Wokesters to the TeaPartiers, lots of people are making it happen.

I oppose all of them. And they all oppose me.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

That is happening right now with your approval.

It is definitely happening. But not with my approval.
From the Wokesters to the TeaPartiers, lots of people are making it happen.

I oppose all of them. And they all oppose me.
Tom

Bless your heart. Go get a designer cake.

 

[Toni]

A fundamentalist Christian jewelry maker COULD refuse to inscribe those bands with Michael and Tony forever on religious grounds.

I agree that under current interpretation of the law, that is legal. But I think it should not be.

So you believe that anyone can be compelled to create something against their will?

No. I think anyone who engages in commercial/business activity should not be legally allowed to discriminate against others based on their characteristics or beliefs.

So a Jewish jeweler who does custom pieces should be compelled to create a ring with a swastika on it?

A Muslim woman who does body waxing should be compelled to wax the genitals of a man?

If the Muslim woman does male body waxing, then yes.
In my world, the Jewish jeweler would have to make it. They could do a lousy job and/or charge an exorbitant price up front, but yes.

I would not want to live in your world where a Nazi could force a Jew to create something that symbolizes the Holocaust. How repugnant.

JFC! Nazis cannot compel anyone to do anything. They are not protected.

Isn't the purpose of protected classes to ensure that they enjoy equal protection under the law?

Some here are conferring extra rights to protected classes. You may be denied service if you do not belong to one of the protected classes at the discretion of the person offering goods or services but not if you are a member of one of the protected classes.*
*Don't lecture me about why classes are protected. I know very well why they are and I do NOT disagree with the fact that they are because they need to be protected. I'm raising an issue that other people who do wish to discriminate on the basis of (insert protected class) will raise.

The fact is that all sorts of business people, creative people, tradespeople, doctors, lawyers, etc. do, under some circumstances decide not to provide whatever product or service the prospective customer before them wishes them to provide, usually for extremely good reasons.

But make this simpler: Should a Pakistani Muslim American be forced to create a custom wedding ring set inscribed with a Hebrew blessing for an Israeli American Jewish couple?

Two protected classes here.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

A fundamentalist Christian jewelry maker COULD refuse to inscribe those bands with Michael and Tony forever on religious grounds.

I agree that under current interpretation of the law, that is legal. But I think it should not be.

And I think not too far in the future they can refuse the sale of a ring.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

My personal belief is that, as society progresses, we will have less need and hopefully no need to say that it is illegal to discriminate on the basis of sex/gender/race/ethnicity/gender/gender identity/sexual preferences/religion/whatever else I forgot to mention.

This!^^^^

I believe that USA society has progressed so far from the ugly days of bigotry(~1960s) that the new problem is the culture of victimhood and entitlement.

Everyone thinks that they are a victim of modern society, from wealthy black college students to straight WASP males, and therefore entitled to special treatment.
It's dumbassery writ large in 2023 U.S., but it's popular with huge numbers of people.
Tom

When the heck did the right to be served become 'entitlement'? All people being served isn't special treatment for anyone.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

A fundamentalist Christian jewelry maker COULD refuse to inscribe those bands with Michael and Tony forever on religious grounds.

I agree that under current interpretation of the law, that is legal. But I think it should not be.

So you believe that anyone can be compelled to create something against their will?

No. I think anyone who engages in commercial/business activity should not be legally allowed to discriminate against others based on their characteristics or beliefs.

So a Jewish jeweler who does custom pieces should be compelled to create a ring with a swastika on it?

Thus is obscenity. There are lines.

 

[laughing dog]

But make this simpler: Should a Pakistani Muslim American be forced to create a custom wedding ring set inscribed with a Hebrew blessing for an Israeli American Jewish couple?

Two protected classes here.

If the jeweler makes wedding rings with Hebrew blessings for others, then yes. If they don’t do Hebrew blessings on any wedding rings, then no.

 

[Toni]

But make this simpler: Should a Pakistani Muslim American be forced to create a custom wedding ring set inscribed with a Hebrew blessing for an Israeli American Jewish couple?

Two protected classes here.

If the jeweler makes wedding rings with Hebrew blessings for others, then yes. If they don’t do Hebrew blessings on any wedding rings, then no.

How is that different than creating a website for a gay couple? It’s just words, after all. It’s pretty easy to switch from Arabic font to Hebrew font.

 

[Toni]

A fundamentalist Christian jewelry maker COULD refuse to inscribe those bands with Michael and Tony forever on religious grounds.

I agree that under current interpretation of the law, that is legal. But I think it should not be.

So you believe that anyone can be compelled to create something against their will?

No. I think anyone who engages in commercial/business activity should not be legally allowed to discriminate against others based on their characteristics or beliefs.

So a Jewish jeweler who does custom pieces should be compelled to create a ring with a swastika on it?

Thus is obscenity. There are lines.

Yes and is suspect you and I have very similar lines.

 

[Toni]

A fundamentalist Christian jewelry maker COULD refuse to inscribe those bands with Michael and Tony forever on religious grounds.

I agree that under current interpretation of the law, that is legal. But I think it should not be.

And I think not too far in the future they can refuse the sale of a ring.

It that was t the question. It isn’t about selling a ring. It’s about inscribing it.

 

[laughing dog]

But make this simpler: Should a Pakistani Muslim American be forced to create a custom wedding ring set inscribed with a Hebrew blessing for an Israeli American Jewish couple?

Two protected classes here.

If the jeweler makes wedding rings with Hebrew blessings for others, then yes. If they don’t do Hebrew blessings on any wedding rings, then no.

How is that different than creating a website for a gay couple? It’s just words, after all. It’s pretty easy to switch from Arabic font to Hebrew font.

The difference is the web designer will make a website for a heterosexual couple but not for the gay couple.