Have you not looked at what Iran does? They're subverting everyone they can. That's not getting back at us, that's simply trying to expand their power.
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Compare the gas chambers with 10/7. Which is more malevolent? Sure, the Nazis had a lot more power and thus far more kills but I'm looking at intent.
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The concentration camps are more malevolent. Genocide on a continental scale is more malevolent.
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A good start. Now we need to start attacking Houthi positions on land.
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Shooting at merchant vessels is "protecting maritime navigation".
Note that they refer to Israeli cities as so-called "occupied Palestine".
More shooting down arrows. We need to start targeting the archers, and those giving orders to the archers.
They will continue until the "Coalition" (mostly US and UK it seems) gets serious and starts attacking Houthi positions. Any ships resupplying them with weapons should also be intercepted.
Biden facing pressure to strike Houthi weapon bases in Yemen, NYT reports
Long overdue.Times of Israel said:
I wonder who these Chicken Littles are. How will striking Iranian vassals benefit Iran?
Derec
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So-called "pro-Palestine" protesters (really pro-Hamas and anti-Israel) in NYC are chanting for Houthis to "make them proud" by attacking more merchant ships. They are showing their true colors.
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Original tweet (or "ex") with longer video from the "Party for Socialism and Liberation".
Edited to add:
Original tweet (or "ex") with longer video from the "Party for Socialism and Liberation".
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Iran sends the 
Alborz destroyer through the Bab al-Mandeb Strait into the Red Sea.
I wonder what our Commander in Chief's rules of engagement are.
Alborz destroyer through the Bab al-Mandeb Strait into the Red Sea.I wonder what our Commander in Chief's rules of engagement are.
Would be absolutely hilarious if the Houthis hit it with a missile.Iran sends the
I wonder what our Commander in Chief's rules of engagement are.
Or - if I were a container ship, I'd sidle up to it until we got to the canal...
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The Nazis perfected mass murder to purify the human race.
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Can you describe any behavior by Iran that the USA isn't kinda famous for indulging in? I can't think of anything. Surreptitiously arming and supporting the "irregular" enemies of their enemies. Including Iraq when Saddam Hussein was violently invading Iran!
What you won't be able to come up with is military invasion of another country, like China has, USA has, and Russia is doing right now.
Iran's intransigent behavior is almost entirely defensive.
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Iran is sending shaheed drones to Russia for the specific purpose to kill civilians and take out civilian power stations.
They were on a larger scale. That's not what I'm talking about.
Hitler was simply about killing efficiently. Hamas was about brutality.
And you think that it would do anything to stop a Houthi boarding?Would be absolutely hilarious if the Houthis hit it with a missile.Iran sends the
I wonder what our Commander in Chief's rules of engagement are.
Or - if I were a container ship, I'd sidle up to it until we got to the canal...
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No one remotely familiar with the the accounts of Holocaust survivors and witnesses can take your response seriously. Hamsd aspires to be as awful as the Nazis.
Hamas aspires to act on the scale the Nazis did, but they are far beyond the Nazis in how evil they are in doing it.
Nazis: Great evil on a big scale. Hamas: Greater evil on a smaller scale.
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That is insane. Not only did the Nszis engage in brutal genocide on a much larger scale, they went after other groups, tortured most of their victims in camps and engaged in “ medical experiments “. Either you are woefully ignorant of the depth and breadth of Nazi atrocities or your bigotry blinds you.
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Too timid by a mile. I would not mind if we end up destroying the Shiite Entity's destroyer.Iran sends the
I wonder what our Commander in Chief's rules of engagement are.
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Of course you do. You know you're too old to put your body where your mouth is.Too timid by a mile. I would not mind if we end up destroying the Shiite Entity's destroyer.Iran sends the
I wonder what our Commander in Chief's rules of engagement are.
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Yeah, my ass definitely could not cash those checks my fingers are typing.
But why should it matter? Do I have to be able to work as a firefighter to support them fighting a blaze? So why should I not support taking decisive action against Houthis and their masters?
Just like ignoring fires can mean they spread throughout a block, so ignoring this can mean a much bigger conflagration down the line. Houthis and the usurper regime in Tehran are escalating, and unless they are stopped, they will keep pushing the envelope. Better to stop them now, just like it would have been better to stop Nazi Germany when they occupied the Sudetenland. Or, even better, Rheinland.
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Iran threatens Mediterranean closure over Gaza, without saying how | Reuters
Does not seem very feasible to me, since there are no countries near the Mediterranean Sea that are likely to be very friendly to Iran, with the possible exception of Syria, and Syria's seaports are a short flight away from Israel.
So I checked on Islamic Republic of Iran Navy and that led me to List of current ships of the Islamic Republic of Iran Navy I was surprised to discover some submarines there, because submarines are the only feasible kind of warship for such threats. Surface ships are too visible to spy satellites.
Iran has four long-range subs: three Russian-made Kilo-class submarine with a range of about 12,500 km and one locally-made Fateh-class submarine with a range of about 6,700 km. All four subs are diesel-electric, meaning that they must be refueled.
Iran has several naval bases - What a New Naval Vessel Says About Iran’s Ambitions at Sea - New Lines Institute and Iranian Naval Forces East-of-Hormuz strategy - Nato Defense College Foundation - with its main one being at Bandar Abbas at the Strait of Hormuz.
The shortest route to the Mediterranean Sea goes through the Bab el Mandeb strait, the Red Sea, and the Suez Canal. But Egypt is not likely to let Iran's subs go through that canal.
But can a sub sneak through? It could do so by staying submerged the whole time, but I wouldn't bet on that. I checked on Suezmax and that canal has no locks, unlike the Panama Canal. A canal lock is a segment of a canal whose water level can be varied to get a ship between neighboring parts that have different water levels. So getting into and out of a lock will not need to be done, and one does not have to worry about sharing one's lock space with a ship that is legitimately using it.
The Suez Canal's limiting draft (depth) is 20 meters, its limiting air draft (height) is 68 m, and its limiting beam (width) is 50 m. A Kilo-class sub has a length of 72 m, a beam of 9.9 m, and a draft of 6.2 m. Using the schematic picture in the Wikipedia article, the while line in it is 6.9 m above the lowest extent of the vertical tail fin, the top of the hull is 9.8 m, the top of the sail is 14.6 m, and the topmost projecting part 19.4 m. So this sub will barely be submerged in the Suez Canal.
That means going the long way around, like the ships that are being threatened by the Houthis. Going in a straight line as much as possible, the distance between Bandar Abbas and the Strait of Gibraltar is nearly 19,000 kilometers, too much for a Kilo-class sub. "Straight line" being a geodesic, for a sphere a great circle.
It will be necessary to refuel the sub somewhere along the way, so Iran's leaders will have to twist arms in Africa, like offering them discounted oil in exchange for letting Iran's subs refuel.
The farthest an Iranian sub's forward base can be is about 6,000 km, because the sub will have to do a round trip to and from it. That is the distance to Nigeria, but Nigeria is already an oil producer, so buying a forward base with oil won't work. That might work with closer countries, however.
The Strait of Gibraltar is a natural choke point, like the Bab el Mandeb, but none of its neighboring countries are likely to be friendly to Iran. They are all NATO members, or in the case of Morocco, closely cooperating with NATO. The same is mostly true of the Mediterranean Sea more generally, with Syria, the only likely ally, too close to Israel for their comfort.
Does not seem very feasible to me, since there are no countries near the Mediterranean Sea that are likely to be very friendly to Iran, with the possible exception of Syria, and Syria's seaports are a short flight away from Israel.
So I checked on
Islamic Republic of Iran Navy and that led me to List of current ships of the Islamic Republic of Iran Navy I was surprised to discover some submarines there, because submarines are the only feasible kind of warship for such threats. Surface ships are too visible to spy satellites.Iran has four long-range subs: three Russian-made
Kilo-class submarine with a range of about 12,500 km and one locally-made Fateh-class submarine with a range of about 6,700 km. All four subs are diesel-electric, meaning that they must be refueled.Iran has several naval bases - What a New Naval Vessel Says About Iran’s Ambitions at Sea - New Lines Institute and Iranian Naval Forces East-of-Hormuz strategy - Nato Defense College Foundation - with its main one being at
Bandar Abbas at the Strait of Hormuz.The shortest route to the Mediterranean Sea goes through the Bab el Mandeb strait, the Red Sea, and the Suez Canal. But Egypt is not likely to let Iran's subs go through that canal.
But can a sub sneak through? It could do so by staying submerged the whole time, but I wouldn't bet on that. I checked on
Suezmax and that canal has no locks, unlike the Panama Canal. A canal lock is a segment of a canal whose water level can be varied to get a ship between neighboring parts that have different water levels. So getting into and out of a lock will not need to be done, and one does not have to worry about sharing one's lock space with a ship that is legitimately using it.The Suez Canal's limiting draft (depth) is 20 meters, its limiting air draft (height) is 68 m, and its limiting beam (width) is 50 m. A Kilo-class sub has a length of 72 m, a beam of 9.9 m, and a draft of 6.2 m. Using the schematic picture in the Wikipedia article, the while line in it is 6.9 m above the lowest extent of the vertical tail fin, the top of the hull is 9.8 m, the top of the sail is 14.6 m, and the topmost projecting part 19.4 m. So this sub will barely be submerged in the Suez Canal.
That means going the long way around, like the ships that are being threatened by the Houthis. Going in a straight line as much as possible, the distance between Bandar Abbas and the Strait of Gibraltar is nearly 19,000 kilometers, too much for a Kilo-class sub. "Straight line" being a geodesic, for a sphere a great circle.
It will be necessary to refuel the sub somewhere along the way, so Iran's leaders will have to twist arms in Africa, like offering them discounted oil in exchange for letting Iran's subs refuel.
The farthest an Iranian sub's forward base can be is about 6,000 km, because the sub will have to do a round trip to and from it. That is the distance to Nigeria, but Nigeria is already an oil producer, so buying a forward base with oil won't work. That might work with closer countries, however.
The Strait of Gibraltar is a natural choke point, like the Bab el Mandeb, but none of its neighboring countries are likely to be friendly to Iran. They are all NATO members, or in the case of Morocco, closely cooperating with NATO. The same is mostly true of the Mediterranean Sea more generally, with Syria, the only likely ally, too close to Israel for their comfort.