Jean Marie Le Pen died

[BH]

The several time French presidential candidate Le Pen died today. He was known for his populist anti-immigrant policies.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Buh byyyye.

 

[Patooka]

Guess he went back to where he came from. Good.

And to the inevitable pearl clutchers that will inhabit this thread, please cry harder that a cheerleader for bigotry has croaked.

 

[Derec]

Guess he went back to where he came from. Good.

"You come from nothing. You go back to nothing. What have you lost? Nothing!"

And to the inevitable pearl clutchers that will inhabit this thread, please cry harder that a cheerleader for bigotry has croaked.

He may have been a bigot, but his National Rally is more popular than ever. In the last legislative election it received more votes than any other blocks. It is only due to convoluted French electoral system and vote trading that it was relegated to the third place.
So, yes, he was a bigot, but were all or even most of the >10M voters who selected NR bigots as well?
I do not think so. I think that when mainstream parties refuse to effectively deal with certain issues, such as islamization, that it opens the door for the radical parties.

This was 2016. It is even higher now.

 

[bilby]

The several time French presidential candidate Le Pen died today.

Good.

He was known for his populist anti-immigrant policies.

He was a fucking fascist git, and the world is better for his death.

There are not many people that is true of, but he was one of them.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Guess he went back to where he came from. Good.

"You come from nothing. You go back to nothing. What have you lost? Nothing!"

And to the inevitable pearl clutchers that will inhabit this thread, please cry harder that a cheerleader for bigotry has croaked.

He may have been a bigot, but his National Rally is more popular than ever. In the last legislative election it received more votes than any other blocks. It is only due to convoluted French electoral system and vote trading that it was relegated to the third place.
So, yes, he was a bigot, but were all or even most of the >10M voters who selected NR bigots as well?
I do not think so. I think that when mainstream parties refuse to effectively deal with certain issues, such as islamization, that it opens the door for the radical parties.

This was 2016. It is even higher now.

Lets ask this question of 1930 Germany. You seem almost happy to see a return to this far right populist shift. We saw how it devestated Europe less than 100 years ago.

 

[southernhybrid]

He was born in 1928 so regardless of how we feel about him, it should be no surprise that he died.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

He was born in 1928 so regardless of how we feel about him, it should be no surprise that he died.

Yeah, but whenever a fascist dies it benefits the world and is a time for celebration.

 

[laughing dog]

Guess he went back to where he came from. Good.

"You come from nothing. You go back to nothing. What have you lost? Nothing!"

And to the inevitable pearl clutchers that will inhabit this thread, please cry harder that a cheerleader for bigotry has croaked.

He may have been a bigot, but his National Rally is more popular than ever. In the last legislative election it received more votes than any other blocks. It is only due to convoluted French electoral system and vote trading that it was relegated to the third place.
So, yes, he was a bigot, but were all or even most of the >10M voters who selected NR bigots as well?
I do not think so. I think that when mainstream parties refuse to effectively deal with certain issues, such as islamization, that it opens the door for the radical parties.

This was 2016. It is even higher now.

Do you have a point?

 

[ideologyhunter]

We are going to see more of his kind. Who can doubt that displaced populations will be a main feature of the rest of this century's history?

 

[Derec]

Lets ask this question of 1930 Germany.

The Nazis liked Islamists!
Waffen-SS even had an all-Muslim division called the Hanschar Division.

You seem almost happy to see a return to this far right populist shift. We saw how it devestated Europe less than 100 years ago.

No, I do not. I detest it! But I understand that the right-wing populist parties are gaining in popularity because the mainstream parties dropped the ball on mass Muslim migration.
Take Angela Merkel as an example. She was supposed to be a conservative, and yet she opened the floodgates to Muslim mass migration in 2015. No wonder AfD for example gained in popularity given that level of dereliction of duty.

Do you have a point?

Yes, indeed I do.
The point is that mainstream parties ignoring legitimate issues like mass migration are driving voters to the likes of LePen. Or Herbert Kickel, who will most likely form the next government of Austria.
A Far-Right Government in Austria Would Be a Jolt, but Not Unexpected

 

[ZiprHead]

Another hobby horse post. You just can't help yourself, can you.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Lets ask this question of 1930 Germany.

The Nazis liked Islamists!

Did they? The Nazis signed a non-aggression pact with the Soviets. We saw how that went. But i do get that you like to repeat this in your consistent dehumanizing of Muslims posts. I'm certain the Nazis lost no sleep letting Muslims die for their cause. Kind of like how Russia isn't losing sleep over North Koreans dying in Russia's war against Ukraine.

But I understand that the right-wing populist parties are gaining in popularity because the mainstream parties dropped the ball on mass Muslim migration.

Brexit didn't happen because of Muslims. The immigrants coming over the border in the US are Christians. Yet, they seem to have the same disdain from the populists, which makes it seem like this isn't actually about religion at all. The far-right is selling isolationism, nationalism. They are using immigration to incite anger, quite well. Selling it was well as the Germans did back in the day.

 

[laughing dog]

The point is that mainstream parties ignoring legitimate issues like mass migration are driving voters to the likes of LePen. Or Herbert Kickel, who will most likely form the next government of Austria.
A Far-Right Government in Austria Would Be a Jolt, but Not Unexpected

Ah, Austria, a country with a long tradition of accepting and welcoming non-Aryans. Excellent example,

 

[RVonse]

Guess he went back to where he came from. Good.

"You come from nothing. You go back to nothing. What have you lost? Nothing!"

And to the inevitable pearl clutchers that will inhabit this thread, please cry harder that a cheerleader for bigotry has croaked.

He may have been a bigot, but his National Rally is more popular than ever. In the last legislative election it received more votes than any other blocks. It is only due to convoluted French electoral system and vote trading that it was relegated to the third place.
So, yes, he was a bigot, but were all or even most of the >10M voters who selected NR bigots as well?
I do not think so. I think that when mainstream parties refuse to effectively deal with certain issues, such as islamization, that it opens the door for the radical parties.

This was 2016. It is even higher now.

Lets ask this question of 1930 Germany. You seem almost happy to see a return to this far right populist shift. We saw how it devestated Europe less than 100 years ago.

Yes lets ask this question.

Was Germany suffering from excessive immigration 100 years ago? Was their immigration rate back then so excessive back then that their then existing culture was changing rapidly like it is today? 100 years ago did the entire world know (as it is now known) that western civilization proved to be highly successful compared to other cultures in terms of freedom from tyranny and oppression?

I don't think so but you can try to school me over to your views if you like. The extreme high rates of immigration in Europe can not end well.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Guess he went back to where he came from. Good.

"You come from nothing. You go back to nothing. What have you lost? Nothing!"

And to the inevitable pearl clutchers that will inhabit this thread, please cry harder that a cheerleader for bigotry has croaked.

He may have been a bigot, but his National Rally is more popular than ever. In the last legislative election it received more votes than any other blocks. It is only due to convoluted French electoral system and vote trading that it was relegated to the third place.
So, yes, he was a bigot, but were all or even most of the >10M voters who selected NR bigots as well?
I do not think so. I think that when mainstream parties refuse to effectively deal with certain issues, such as islamization, that it opens the door for the radical parties.

This was 2016. It is even higher now.

Lets ask this question of 1930 Germany. You seem almost happy to see a return to this far right populist shift. We saw how it devestated Europe less than 100 years ago.

Yes lets ask this question.

Was Germany suffering from excessive immigration 100 years ago? Was their immigration rate back then so excessive back then that their then existing culture was changing rapidly like it is today? 100 years ago did the entire world know (as it is now known) that western civilization proved to be highly successful compared to other cultures in terms of freedom from tyranny and oppression?

I don't think so but you can try to school me over to your views if you like. The extreme high rates of immigration in Europe can not end well.

I appreciate your pragmatic and upfront take on this being about immigration and not religion.

In the 1920/30s, there was a lot of poverty and anguish. The Nazis took advantage of that. Lots of people (who were targeted) were slaughtered.

 

[RVonse]

Guess he went back to where he came from. Good.

"You come from nothing. You go back to nothing. What have you lost? Nothing!"

And to the inevitable pearl clutchers that will inhabit this thread, please cry harder that a cheerleader for bigotry has croaked.

He may have been a bigot, but his National Rally is more popular than ever. In the last legislative election it received more votes than any other blocks. It is only due to convoluted French electoral system and vote trading that it was relegated to the third place.
So, yes, he was a bigot, but were all or even most of the >10M voters who selected NR bigots as well?
I do not think so. I think that when mainstream parties refuse to effectively deal with certain issues, such as islamization, that it opens the door for the radical parties.

This was 2016. It is even higher now.

Lets ask this question of 1930 Germany. You seem almost happy to see a return to this far right populist shift. We saw how it devestated Europe less than 100 years ago.

Yes lets ask this question.

Was Germany suffering from excessive immigration 100 years ago? Was their immigration rate back then so excessive back then that their then existing culture was changing rapidly like it is today? 100 years ago did the entire world know (as it is now known) that western civilization proved to be highly successful compared to other cultures in terms of freedom from tyranny and oppression?

I don't think so but you can try to school me over to your views if you like. The extreme high rates of immigration in Europe can not end well.

I appreciate your pragmatic and upfront take on this being about immigration and not religion.

In the 1920/30s, there was a lot of poverty and anguish. The Nazis took advantage of that. Lots of people (who were targeted) were slaughtered.

The immigration rate is just too high for any kind of rational assimilation of existing western values. It would be one thing if the existing European culture was more compatible with the muslim culture but in this case their compassion is mistaken for weakness. In the newcomers eyes, compassionate is treated "like women who need to be mounted" and not assimilation to an existing culture.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yes lets ask this question.

Was Germany suffering from excessive immigration 100 years ago? Was their immigration rate back then so excessive back then that their then existing culture was changing rapidly like it is today? 100 years ago did the entire world know (as it is now known) that western civilization proved to be highly successful compared to other cultures in terms of freedom from tyranny and oppression?

I don't think so but you can try to school me over to your views if you like. The extreme high rates of immigration in Europe can not end well.

I appreciate your pragmatic and upfront take on this being about immigration and not religion.

In the 1920/30s, there was a lot of poverty and anguish. The Nazis took advantage of that. Lots of people (who were targeted) were slaughtered.

The immigration rate is just too high for any kind of rational assimilation of existing western values.

Uncited.

It would be one thing if the existing European culture was more compatible with the muslem culture but in this case their compassion is mistaken for weakness. In the newcomers eyes, compassionate is treated "like women who need to be mounted" and not assimilation to an existing culture.

That is some very insightful 19th century thinking there.

Curious though, why the very similar complaints about quantities of Christian migration into the US? Are Christians migrants incapable of assimilating into Christian society?

 

[RVonse]

Curious though, why the very similar complaints about quantities of Christian migration into the US? Are Christians migrants incapable of assimilating into Christian society?

If you are talking about catholic Hispanics their complaint is more along the lines of language, ideology, and labor dilution than it is about religion.

But the issue about assimilation still holds no matter whom you are talking about. You can not introduce huge numbers into an existing population too fast without destroying what was already there. And that is a very bad thing if you happen to feel (as I do) that western culture has been the best thing the world has ever seen in terms of freedom and liberty.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Curious though, why the very similar complaints about quantities of Christian migration into the US? Are Christians migrants incapable of assimilating into Christian society?

If you are talking about catholic Hispanics their complaint is more along the lines of language, ideology, and labor dilution than it is about religion.

What ideology issue? Language was always an issue for migrants. We managed to survive the 19th and early 20th century regarding language gaps.

But the issue about assimilation still holds no matter whom you are talking about.

Wait... if that is the issue, why raise they are Catholics or Muslims to begin with? Sounds kid of fishy.

You can not introduce huge numbers into an existing population too fast without destroying what was already there.

US History speaks otherwise. We received around one million immigrants in a year in the early 1900s. Those immigrants (hated then too) helped build our nation.

And that is a very bad thing if you happen to feel (as I do) that western culture has been the best thing the world has ever seen in terms of freedom and liberty.

So the people south of the border are mongrels and vandals who are living some other kind of culture?

You say freedom and liberty, what you appear to mean is you subscribe to the Manifest Destiny. The Asians inferior too? Or just the ones from nations you can't readily identify on a map?