How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[ZiprHead]

NATO is only a threat to Russia because Russia continues to be belligerent and assault it's neighbors. Go home and NATO goes home too. Don't start wars, and NATO won't help your enemies. It is so simple.

Yabut - without wars to counter imaginary threats, the Russian people might realize how badly bamboozled they have been.
That always ends up bloody for their rulers.

I wish I thought that we (USA) were noticably better. But I don't. I'm confident that the Teaparty is leading us towards the same state of affairs.
Tom

I wish I could disagree with you but I cannot. Our present actions in Venezuela are causing massive hardships there. But neocons, including Trump, want that oil.

 

[barbos]

And again, the usual suspects choose to ignore the link I gave and keep repeating the usual garbage propaganda points straight from Vicky Nuland and her hubby arses.

The actions of the Neville Chamberlain types of people have been discussed here many times.

And I note you chose to ignore the quote I posted derived from your link that shows that both the people that wrote the article and you are quite ignorant of the history of NATO and its efforts post Soviet Union breakup.

You mined some quote there and asked me comment on it? Where?
And it does not work like that. You need to answer my question first.
So I repeat the question again, Did President of United States lie when he used word "unprovoked"?

No. Happy?

Wrong answer.

And it is you who is ignorant about history of NATO

Hey, it was your link.

Show me where my link says that I don't know the history of NATO?

 

[barbos]

In other news. Regime of US neocon puppet in Moldova (Sandu) finally acknowledged gas payment debt to Russia.
LOL, this is all after all these western audit firms all said "No, Moldova does not owe anything for gas"
Fucking thieves!

Getting desperate for money, are you? Recent sanctions are taking a bite. Heard India stopped taking your oil the other day.

No, money are tiny there. The point is that these mothefuckers and thieves admitted theft.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You said the terrorists shot down the plane. It was unquestionably a Russian missile. Ergo, the terrorists are Russian.

I never said such a thing. It was clear since the beginning that it was Air Defence missile.
Having said that, terrorist attack from Ukraine has played the obvious role.

A missile from Russian territory. Your missile crews need to learn not to shoot at passenger planes!

You said the pilots reported a bird strike.

Yes I did, becasue that's what they did.

The point is the pilots reporting a bird strike doesn't prove it really was one. They didn't go outside and have a look after all! The only stuff that's usually wandering around the skies are birds (and occasionally bird prey--sometimes the DNA comes back with something not avian but it's still considered a bird strike) so if they didn't see what happened and it's consistent with a bird strike they'll call it one.

And you're missing the bigger picture. The plane was hit by a missile after it had to abort an approach because of the GPS jamming.

No, they were redirected becasue weather was bad and terrorist attacks. GPS is not used for landing.

But GPS is used for the approach. They flew where their GPS said the approach was, but when they got a visual they were out of position and had to reject the landing. Without the GPS working properly they couldn't land under those conditions and had to go elsewhere.

You jammed it,

Yes, that's a normal procedure during terrorist drone attacks.

The only terrorist drones I see are from Russia. The Ukrainian ones are hitting military stuff, but some of your drone operators are simply killing anyone they see.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Vietnam was against a hardened military that had already beat South Vietnam and France. It was a dumbass mistake to get involved there.

So mighty US can not defeat hardened military. OK, I will try to remember that.

Nobody has won a war against a country that has had an untouchable base of support.

and that would be what?

Korea. Vietnam. Afghanistan. Afghanistan. Lebanon. Afghanistan. Gaza.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The current plan Russia offers is following. Russia keeps all that we took plus the land we have not taken yet which are these Oblasts which voted to join Russia. Additional land ot top of that is a subject to negotiations. No NATO in/for Ukraine, none!
Plus ukrainian army gets smaller. That's absolute minimum to start negotiations.
But public opinion is that Odessa, Har'kov should be included into absolute minimum.

In other words, ensure they can't stand up to you in round 3.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Ownership of Greenland Ukraine is Essential to Our Security

You can't have Ukraine.

Right back atcha, there, chief.

Ukraine is Russia, you can't have it, relay that to your buddy Lindsey.

There's only one country that gets a say on that and that's Ukraine. And they do not consider themselves part of Russia.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Maybe if Russians weren't such huge assholes to their neighbors they wouldn't be so eager to fight to remove themselves from the clutches of the Russians.

Yeah, Ukrainians on top of $250bil in help were stealing russian gas, banning russian language and installing WW2 nazis as national heroes. And we are the ones who were assholes, riiiiight!

I repeat again what georgians themselves said. Americans come with bags of money and ask for directions to people who hate Russia, literally. That's what right hand of Saakashvili (!!!) said. Are you calling her a liar?
cause she is not the only one. For fuck's sake, McCain was your main guy in Georgia. The guy who was openly using ethnic slurs to refer to asians. All becasue he took part in exterminating vietnamese and they did not like it and returned some of the "favour" to him.

Stealing Russian gas? It was under Ukraine, not under Russia.

And they didn't have a problem with the Russian language until you took your first bite out of them.

Your complaints amount to that they didn't roll over and surrender when you decided you wanted to annex them.

 

[barbos]

The only terrorist drones I see are from Russia. The Ukrainian ones are hitting military stuff, but some of your drone operators are simply killing anyone they see.

Nobody (in Russia at least) believes deranged lies you are trying to spread.

There's only one country that gets a say on that and that's Ukraine. And they do not consider themselves part of Russia.

They (Eastern Ukraine) fucking voted to join Russia.

Stealing Russian gas? It was under Ukraine, not under Russia.

I did not know Siberia became Ukraine.

But GPS is used for the approach. They flew where their GPS said the approach was, but when they got a visual they were out of position and had to reject the landing. Without the GPS working properly they couldn't land under those conditions and had to go elsewhere.

You are talking nonsense.

 

[barbos]

And they didn't have a problem with the Russian language until you took your first bite out of them.

What the fuck are you talking about?
These people were beating for speaking Russian during soviet times. And banning russian was the first thing they tries after Victoria t the cookie Nuland nazi coup.

 

[bilby]

Nobody (in Russia at least) believes deranged lies you are trying to spread.

Because to do so would be to risk falling from a high window.

 

[barbos]

Because to do so would be to risk falling from a high window.

That is a lie too. Western polling agencies confirm Russian population support of the Putin.

 

[blastula]

Oh no, and this is why I voted for him.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

There's only one country that gets a say on that and that's Ukraine. And they do not consider themselves part of Russia.

They (Eastern Ukraine) fucking voted to join Russia.

First, a region doesn't get to vote, only a country.

Second, that "vote" was rigged. They couldn't vote to remain part of Ukraine.

Third, you brought in a whole bunch of soldiers and had them vote.

If they really wanted to be part of Russia you would have had no reason to rig the election.

Stealing Russian gas? It was under Ukraine, not under Russia.

I did not know Siberia became Ukraine.

Ok, what are you talking about? How in the world would Ukraine steal gas from Siberia?

Are you perhaps talking about a pipeline going through Ukraine? If so, it's your own fault for attacking a country where you have infrastructure.

But GPS is used for the approach. They flew where their GPS said the approach was, but when they got a visual they were out of position and had to reject the landing. Without the GPS working properly they couldn't land under those conditions and had to go elsewhere.

You are talking nonsense.

It doesn't even matter. It's basically undisputed that it was a Russian missile.

 

[barbos]

First, a region doesn't get to vote, only a country.

Tell that to Kosovo.

Ok, what are you talking about? How in the world would Ukraine steal gas from Siberia?

Easy, from the Gas Pipeline from Siberia to Europe which goes through Ukraine.

 

[barbos]

Are you perhaps talking about a pipeline going through Ukraine? If so, it's your own fault for attacking a country where you have infrastructure.

Fucking hohols were stealing it in 2000s.
So it's your damn fault that we invaded,

 

[barbos]

But GPS is used for the approach. They flew where their GPS said the approach was, but when they got a visual they were out of position and had to reject the landing. Without the GPS working properly they couldn't land under those conditions and had to go elsewhere.

You are talking nonsense.

It doesn't even matter. It's basically undisputed that it was a Russian missile.

Ultimately it was a result of Ukrainian terrorist attack on the airport.

 

[barbos]

Speaking of famous ukrainian corruption:

 

[TV and credit cards]

Exclusive: Putin growing concerned by Russia’s economy, as Trump pushes for Ukraine deal



I don't think they've an arrow left in their quiver.
We have a Kremlin spokesperson publicly admitting there are some issues.
Biden set up Trump with leverage in his last sanctions I spoke of in post #19145.
Putin is upset with interest rates. The central bank is trying to hold the line.

Know that Trump's only concern is getting a win for Trump. He might strong arm Russia for now but Ukraine will be presented with a take it or leave it proposition. I'd like to be wrong but I don't see Trump having Ukraine's back. Besides, there's something terribly unsettling about Trump having your back.

 

[SLD]

So Trump just blamed the war on Zelensky because he fought back.

Trump suggests Ukraine shouldn't have fought back against Russia

“Zelenskyy was fighting a much bigger entity, much bigger, much more powerful,” Trump said. “He shouldn’t have done that, because we could have made a deal.”

www.nbcnews.com

Zelensky should have just surrendered. Says he can’t beat Russia. WTF? Is he that fucking clueless and doesn’t understand what has happened in the last three years? He will abandon Ukraine and say it had to be that way. After all that’s what his handlers in the Kremlin have told him to do.

And people deny he’s a Russian agent. SMH