How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[Jimmy Higgins]

Preemptive self-defence is a real term and it is what Russia does, among other things such as defence of russian population of Ukraine from regime in Kiev.

It's also the excuse Cheney and Bush Jnr used to illegally invade Iraq. Barbos must be so proud Putin is a modern day Dick Cheney.

No, not also.
Russia had legitimate security concerns, US did not.

So, when is Russia going to actually take those concerns seriously? Russia has the capacity to lay down Kiiv to protect itself... yet, all this talk about protecting Russia from Ukraine, and Russia hasn't taken off the gloves... instead choosing a grinding invasion of attrition. Nothing has changed in Kiiv, so Russia would be under the same threat.

Things are changing in Kiev.

There will be growth in the Spring.

You keep bloviating about how Russia is responding to a threat, but their response has been at best, half cocked. Tossing criminals, non-slavs, and now North Koreans out there against Ukraine. They did have that small private army, but the leader of it accidentally died in a plane mishap after he dared question / start marching on Moscow the Russian Government's management of the invasion. Russia could press much harder, but they haven't. Which makes me feel, all this talk about this being about Ukraine being a threat is utter bullshit.

 

[barbos]

You keep bloviating about how Russia is responding to a threat, but their response has been at best, half cocked. Tossing criminals, non-slavs

It was properly cooked. And non-slavs? what that supposed to mean?
Russia has many ethnicities including all kind of asians and turkish people.

You, on the other hand, are bloviating how it was "unprovoked" invasion. Completely ignoring the fact that (confirmed by your own think tanks and media) that it was 100% provoked and in fact started by you. Yes, the war was started by you.

Russia could press much harder, but they haven't. Which makes me feel, all this talk about this being about Ukraine being a threat is utter bullshit.

No, it's not. Russia was hoping that Ukrainians would come to their senses in 2014 then in 2022. It was probably a mistake but we should have fixed Ukraine back in 2014 immediately. If you ask me, we should have fixed them much earlier, around early 2000s. We underestimated neocon hatred of Russia.
But the most important moderator of Russian response are the sanctions. US does modulate sanctions depending what we do. And China which is a main anti-sanctions insurance does not like to be sanctioned too much because of Russia.
The whole thing was envisioned by neocons as an excuse for sanctions which would have crippled economy and the "regime". Did not work for you so far.

 

[zorq]

Nah. That's just all BS.

Ukraine was and is no threat to Russia. NATO was no threat to Russia... NATO expansion affects nobody in any way whatsoever unless they actually have malicious intentions to violently assault others. Admitting that NATO expansion was a threat to Russia reveals the true brutality that you endorse and cheer for.

Even now, NATO is only a threat to Russia because Russia continues to be belligerent and assault it's neighbors. Go home and NATO goes home too. Don't start wars, and NATO won't help your enemies. It is so simple.

 

[barbos]

Nah. That's just all BS.

Ukraine was and is no threat to Russia. NATO was no threat to Russia... NATO expansion affects nobody in any way whatsoever unless they actually have malicious intentions to violently assault others. Admitting that NATO expansion was a threat to Russia reveals the true brutality that you endorse and cheer for.

Even now, NATO is only a threat to Russia because Russia continues to be belligerent and assault it's neighbors. Go home and NATO goes home too. Don't start wars, and NATO won't help your enemies. It is so simple.

You keep talking bullshit.

NATO is a threat and should be viewed as a threat by Russia
It's literally put into western think tanks papers and published. It's literally confirmed by people in border countries (Georgia) which were approached by NATO scam and suggested them to start a war with Russia.

NATO is a multifaceted criminal enterprise now, filled with MIC people who are interested in selling weapons, it's also filled with oligarchs who are interested in taking hold of Russian resources.
US/EU were literally supporting terrorist organizations (in the Caucasus ) in Russia, the same way they were supporting ISIS in Syria later.

 

[barbos]

I personally think Russia should basically cut all energy supply to EU with the exception of the countries with sane governments, which is Hungary and Slovakia. Then sell just enough of oil to India and China to keep them fairly happy but not too happy. India is fairly irrelevant economic partner to Russia and China should understand that if we go down they will have a huge headache with NATO on their northern border.

And then see how long EU lasts. They all wanted to get rid of russian gas, we should oblige.

 

[barbos]

And again, the usual suspects choose to ignore the link I gave and keep repeating the usual garbage propaganda points straight from Vicky Nuland and her hubby arses.

 

[Patooka]

Barbos citing Victoria Nuland the same way MAGAtards cite George Soros will always be hilarious to me.

barbos: "I saw on an unsourced youtube video that Victoria Nuland started the LA fires with Jewish space lasers on loan from Zelensky".

You know that post is only a matter of time.1

 

[barbos]

Barbos citing Victoria Nuland the same way MAGAtards cite George Soros will always be hilarious to me.

Why? And yes, Soros is from the same neocon gang as Nuland.
Nuland has been in the government since the 80s. And her hubby was collecting money from US oligarchs on his institute since forever as well.

 

[TV and credit cards]

You keep bloviating about how Russia is responding to a threat, but their response has been at best, half cocked. Tossing criminals, non-slavs

It was properly cooked. And non-slavs? what that supposed to mean?
Russia has many ethnicities including all kind of asians and turkish people.

It is the ethnic minority population Putin mainly relies on for mobilization. Putin doesn't feed people from Moscow and St Petersburg into his meat grinder.

 

[barbos]

It is the ethnic minority population Putin mainly relies on for mobilization. Putin doesn't feed people from Moscow and St Petersburg into his meat grinder.

It's not mobilization, it's attracting people into the army with money. People in Moscow are doing well so it's natural that people from depressed less developed regions sign up for this. US is not different, most of your armed forces are people from the poor rural parts of the south.

 

[ZiprHead]

And again, the usual suspects choose to ignore the link I gave and keep repeating the usual garbage propaganda points straight from Vicky Nuland and her hubby arses.

The actions of the Neville Chamberlain types of people have been discussed here many times.

And I note you chose to ignore the quote I posted derived from your link that shows that both the people that wrote the article and you are quite ignorant of the history of NATO and its efforts post Soviet Union breakup.

 

[ZiprHead]

t's literally confirmed by people in border countries (Georgia) which were approached by NATO scam and suggested them to start a war with Russia.

It apparently is quite easy to get countries to start wars with Russia. Maybe if Russians weren't such huge assholes to their neighbors they wouldn't be so eager to fight to remove themselves from the clutches of the Russians.

 

[barbos]

And again, the usual suspects choose to ignore the link I gave and keep repeating the usual garbage propaganda points straight from Vicky Nuland and her hubby arses.

The actions of the Neville Chamberlain types of people have been discussed here many times.

And I note you chose to ignore the quote I posted derived from your link that shows that both the people that wrote the article and you are quite ignorant of the history of NATO and its efforts post Soviet Union breakup.

You mined some quote there and asked me comment on it? Where?
And it does not work like that. You need to answer my question first.
So I repeat the question again, Did President of United States lie when he used word "unprovoked"?

And it is you who is ignorant about history of NATO

 

[barbos]

It apparently is quite easy to get countries to start wars with Russia.

No, it's not easy, Ask Nuland.

 

[barbos]

Maybe if Russians weren't such huge assholes to their neighbors they wouldn't be so eager to fight to remove themselves from the clutches of the Russians.

Yeah, Ukrainians on top of $250bil in help were stealing russian gas, banning russian language and installing WW2 nazis as national heroes. And we are the ones who were assholes, riiiiight!

I repeat again what georgians themselves said. Americans come with bags of money and ask for directions to people who hate Russia, literally. That's what right hand of Saakashvili (!!!) said. Are you calling her a liar?
cause she is not the only one. For fuck's sake, McCain was your main guy in Georgia. The guy who was openly using ethnic slurs to refer to asians. All becasue he took part in exterminating vietnamese and they did not like it and returned some of the "favour" to him.

 

[barbos]

In other news. Regime of US neocon puppet in Moldova (Sandu) finally acknowledged gas payment debt to Russia.
LOL, this is all after all these western audit firms all said "No, Moldova does not owe anything for gas"
Fucking thieves!

 

[Elixir]

NATO is only a threat to Russia because Russia continues to be belligerent and assault it's neighbors. Go home and NATO goes home too. Don't start wars, and NATO won't help your enemies. It is so simple.

Yabut - without wars to counter imaginary threats, the Russian people might realize how badly bamboozled they have been.
That always ends up bloody for their rulers.

 

[SLD]

In other news. Regime of US neocon puppet in Moldova (Sandu) finally acknowledged gas payment debt to Russia.
LOL, this is all after all these western audit firms all said "No, Moldova does not owe anything for gas"
Fucking thieves!

Getting desperate for money, are you? Recent sanctions are taking a bite. Heard India stopped taking your oil the other day.

 

[TomC]

NATO is only a threat to Russia because Russia continues to be belligerent and assault it's neighbors. Go home and NATO goes home too. Don't start wars, and NATO won't help your enemies. It is so simple.

Yabut - without wars to counter imaginary threats, the Russian people might realize how badly bamboozled they have been.
That always ends up bloody for their rulers.

I wish I thought that we (USA) were noticably better. But I don't. I'm confident that the Teaparty is leading us towards the same state of affairs.
Tom

 

[ZiprHead]

And again, the usual suspects choose to ignore the link I gave and keep repeating the usual garbage propaganda points straight from Vicky Nuland and her hubby arses.

The actions of the Neville Chamberlain types of people have been discussed here many times.

And I note you chose to ignore the quote I posted derived from your link that shows that both the people that wrote the article and you are quite ignorant of the history of NATO and its efforts post Soviet Union breakup.

You mined some quote there and asked me comment on it? Where?
And it does not work like that. You need to answer my question first.
So I repeat the question again, Did President of United States lie when he used word "unprovoked"?

No. Happy?

And it is you who is ignorant about history of NATO

Hey, it was your link.