LA fires

[ZiprHead]

The information on how fast a wildfire can spread was in the link I provided in post #191, from the Western Fire Chiefs Association.

My comment on that is in the post #192, you can read it.

Your comment was stubbornly uninformed bullshit.

 

[barbos]

The information on how fast a wildfire can spread was in the link I provided in post #191, from the Western Fire Chiefs Association.

My comment on that is in the post #192, you can read it.

Your comment was stubbornly uninformed bullshit.

No. my comment was very well thought out reply to irrelevant BS.

 

[barbos]

Just look at their equipment--hoses that fold flat. Think you could suck up water with one of those?

that's a dumb thing to say

Have you ever tried it? Having a pool in my back yard gave me a lot of experience with pumping (no jokes now ) and siphoning. Yes, the hose would immediately flatten and close off if you tried to use the hose for suction'

No, I am not stupid to try such a stupid thing.

 

[barbos]

Anyway, it looks like firemen did try to create a fire barriers in few places during fire.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Just look at their equipment--hoses that fold flat. Think you could suck up water with one of those?

that's a dumb thing to say

Saying it's dumb doesn't address the point at all.

What I'm saying is that while it's possible to fight fire with seawater standard firefighting equipment is not capable of it.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Yeah, equipment exists. In naval contexts. Doesn't mean the LA fire department has it

Well, they should. And why Navy was not helping?

Why should they? How often do they fight fires right next to the ocean and in situations where they don't have available water from their hydrants??

As for the Navy--what could they do? That's a beach. Beaches are shallow. How close could a ship approach????

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Are you having difficulty reading English? The 20 minute timespan was the amount of time it took for the fire to grow from approximately 20 acres in size to approximately 200 acres.

Are you having troubles with simple math? Your numbers imply 2.7 km per hour speed. And I doubt even that.

There is simply no reason to believe numbers you provide.

And 2.7 km/hr is supposed to be an insane speed for a fire?

The guys who actually go in on foot to fight wildfires carry special tents in case the fire catches them. Highly reflective and completely airtight--they might save you from a fast moving fire. There would be absolutely no reason for those if fire only moved at a speed you could easily walk away from. Vehicles that are involved in such fights also have a last resort option for surviving burnover--implying that the concept of a vehicle not being able to get away from a fire is anticipated to sometimes happen.

 

[barbos]

As for the Navy--what could they do? That's a beach. Beaches are shallow. How close could a ship approach????

I don't know, the same way you landed in France in WW2.

Why should they? How often do they fight fires right next to the ocean and in situations where they don't have available water from their hydrants??

Are you saying Navy are incapable of anything?

 

[barbos]

Just look at their equipment--hoses that fold flat. Think you could suck up water with one of those?

that's a dumb thing to say

Saying it's dumb doesn't address the point at all.

What I'm saying is that while it's possible to fight fire with seawater standard firefighting equipment is not capable of it.

Seawater has nothing to do with fire hose which are designed to work only with positive pressure.
That's a first. Second. You don't suck water through hose, you put your pump into the water.

 

[Arctish]

Pre-positioning Navy and Coast Guard firefighting vessels every few miles along the US coastline in order to fight wildfires that reach beachfront properties is a hypothetical worthy of a Wattpad fan fiction.

It's utterly silly as a suggestion for what California should do irl.

 

[TV and credit cards]

There is plenty of firefighting equipment for saltwater and plenty of companies that make it. Just ask the navy. A P100 pump is for an individual firehose. You’d have to train the kids on how to properly relieve the nozzle man so you don’t end up with a wild hose. Teach little Emily how to Z-kink a charged hose just in case.
Saltwater sprinkler systems are common enough. Malibu beach people could have them on the exterior of their homes. Everything is brass.
Southern California would have to make all new infrastructure of hydrants and seawater pumping stations.

Yeah, equipment exists. In naval contexts. Doesn't mean the LA fire department has it. How often do they fight fires right next to the ocean??

Yeah, shipboard firefighting equipment is for fighting fires aboard ship. You can only squirt so far. What I'm saying is no one is inventing the wheel here. How to make firefighting equipment for use with seawater exists. Brass bodies, stainless steel impellers and valves, plastic lined pipes; all good stuff.
Californis'a Super Scooper aircraft or any of their fire retardant aircraft for that matter are largely ineffective in such high winds. Especially when some dickhead reporter damages one with a drone. He was probably from RT.
There is also a matter of power being shut off during such events. A congresscritter, Judy Chu made made such a comment. I'm not sure what exactly she was referring to but there needs to be critical circuits that remain energized or the critical equipment needs a backup power supply. You know, like how people in hospitals don't all die when the power goes out. Problem is, none of this is glamorous. No California politician is going to get reelected pushing for fossil fuel generators to be purchased, much the opposite, I fear. So entire neighborhoods burned to the ground and the hazmat whipping around in the wind and leaching into the ground will do much more lasting damage than any preventive action would.

Could new infrastructure of fire hydrants be made over time? I'm sure what's there now is old enough to be iron piping and hydrants so the entire system would have to be changed out to plastic pipes and lined hydrants with the proper saltwater strainers, pumps/eductors out far enough on ocean platforms and booster pump houses in neighborhoods as necessary.
Of course it's expensive. With climate change comes city change. We knew this was coming. But are we going to do it all after the fact?

 

[unapologetic]

You realize fire trucks do not have the ability to suck up standing water?

Of course they do. Even my small town has pumps built in to it's fire engines. And they don't blindly trust the pressure in the mains to do the job.

Yeah, equipment exists. In naval contexts. Doesn't mean the LA fire department has it.

Every port has them. (Long Beach) But probably not enough for a fire this big.

while it's possible to fight fire with seawater standard firefighting equipment is not capable of it.

Even my small town has pumps built in to it's fire engines. And they don't ask where the water came from.
Fighting the fire takes precedence over equipment maintenance concerns.

Pre-positioning Navy and Coast Guard firefighting vessels every few miles along the US coastline...

Few fires ever need that many.

 

[ZiprHead]

As for the Navy--what could they do? That's a beach. Beaches are shallow. How close could a ship approach????

I don't know, the same way you landed in France in WW2.

You mean landing craft specifically designed to land a bunch of soldiers on a beach?

Why should they? How often do they fight fires right next to the ocean and in situations where they don't have available water from their hydrants??

Are you saying Navy are incapable of anything?

Are you saying "I don't know what the fuck I am talking about but I really like to see my words on the screen."?

 

[bilby]

You mean landing craft specifically designed to land a bunch of soldiers on a beach?

Literal littoral fire-ships. But not literal fire-ships:



... as these are rarely littoral fire-ships, and are literally on fire, rather than being fire-boats:



... which are not literal fire-ships, but may be littoral fire-ships, for fighting literal fires in littoral conditions.


Hope that helps.

 

[barbos]

You mean landing craft specifically designed to land a bunch of soldiers on a beach?

Yeah, like 101 of being a marines.

Are you saying "I don't know what the fuck I am talking about but I really like to see my words on the screen."?

No, I am saying you don't what the fuck are you talking about

 

[ZiprHead]

You mean landing craft specifically designed to land a bunch of soldiers on a beach?

Yeah, like 101 of being a marines.

Are you saying "I don't know what the fuck I am talking about but I really like to see my words on the screen."?

No, I am saying you don't what the fuck are you talking about

I'm rubber, you're glue...

 

[bilby]

You mean landing craft specifically designed to land a bunch of soldiers on a beach?

Yeah, like 101 of being a marines.

Are you saying "I don't know what the fuck I am talking about but I really like to see my words on the screen."?

No, I am saying you don't what the fuck are you talking about

I'm rubber, you're glue...

Both of which are flammable materials that should ideally be removed from areas where fire risk is high.

 

[ZiprHead]

You mean landing craft specifically designed to land a bunch of soldiers on a beach?

Yeah, like 101 of being a marines.

Are you saying "I don't know what the fuck I am talking about but I really like to see my words on the screen."?

No, I am saying you don't what the fuck are you talking about

I'm rubber, you're glue...

Both of which are flammable materials that should ideally be removed from areas where fire risk is high.

Like Russia?

 

[bilby]

You mean landing craft specifically designed to land a bunch of soldiers on a beach?

Yeah, like 101 of being a marines.

Are you saying "I don't know what the fuck I am talking about but I really like to see my words on the screen."?

No, I am saying you don't what the fuck are you talking about

I'm rubber, you're glue...

Both of which are flammable materials that should ideally be removed from areas where fire risk is high.

Like Russia?

Nah, fire risk is very low in Russia. The risk there is falling from windows.

In fact, the last Russian to suggest that fire risk was high in Russia died from falling out of a window.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

As for the Navy--what could they do? That's a beach. Beaches are shallow. How close could a ship approach????

I don't know, the same way you landed in France in WW2.

Why should they? How often do they fight fires right next to the ocean and in situations where they don't have available water from their hydrants??

Are you saying Navy are incapable of anything?

I'm saying the Navy is pretty much incapable of fighting fire on land. Why should they have such capability??

Landings are made with ships specifically designed for minimum draft and even then typically can't actually reach land.

There are water-going firefighting ships, they are built to suck up water and shoot it out very powerfully to allow landing it on nearby things. But they're mostly the realm of ports. No idea if they could even get close enough to that beach. Note that being desirable as a beach typically means it's not friendly to ships.