How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[ZiprHead]

Trump calls Zelenskyy 'dictator' as Ukraine leader slams him for 'disinformation'

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy hit back at President Donald Trump's call for the country to hold fresh presidential elections after historic Russia-U.S. talks.

abcnews.go.com

This is not good.

Trump is such a lying asshole claiming that Ukraine started the war. Putin will control Trump.

What do you want Trump to say? That US started the war? Well, Rubio kinda said that.
And yes, Ukrainian regime (installed by US) started civil war in 2014.

The Russians started the war in 2014. Deal with it.

 

[barbos]

Trump calls Zelenskyy 'dictator' as Ukraine leader slams him for 'disinformation'

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy hit back at President Donald Trump's call for the country to hold fresh presidential elections after historic Russia-U.S. talks.

abcnews.go.com

This is not good.

Trump is such a lying asshole claiming that Ukraine started the war. Putin will control Trump.

What do you want Trump to say? That US started the war? Well, Rubio kinda said that.
And yes, Ukrainian regime (installed by US) started civil war in 2014.

The Russians started the war in 2014. Deal with it.

Nope, US started it.

 

[ZiprHead]

Nuland's testimony to the US Senate.

Was it $6bil she spent on building nazis?
I don't remember the number.

I notice you didn't point out where she said she arranged for the Maidan revolt.

 

[barbos]

Nuland's testimony to the US Senate.

Was it $6bil she spent on building nazis?
I don't remember the number.

I notice you didn't point out where she said she arranged for the Maidan revolt.

When she ordered EU-Ukraine agreement that was explicitly designed to cause Maidan.
Just ask Yanukovich, or former Lituanian president cunt if you don't trust Putin's stooges.
Nuland is relatively clever. She is a dumb, evil psychopath, but clever one at that.

 

[zorq]

Nuland's testimony to the US Senate.

Was it $6bil she spent on building nazis?
I don't remember the number.

I notice you didn't point out where she said she arranged for the Maidan revolt.

When she ordered EU-Ukraine agreement that was explicitly designed to cause Maidan.
Just ask Yanukovich, or former Lituanian president cunt if you don't trust Putin's stooges.
Nuland is relatively clever. She is a dumb, evil psychopath, but clever one at that.

Maybe you are too ignorant to notice that the USA isn't part of the EU. Maybe you are too stupid to understand that Nuland is American diplomat and has no influence over the treaties that the EU or Ukraine Propose or engage in. Maybe you are too oblivious to notice that you just agreed that you have absolutely no evidence for "hundreds of nulands" at euromaidan.

 

[barbos]

Maybe you are too ignorant to notice that the USA isn't part of the EU.

LOL, US is not part of Ukraine either. You just pay for everything there, with no strings attached. "Ukrainians" can do whatever they want, no strings, none whatsoever. It just happened that these "Ukrainians" are nazis, but that is pure coincidence, US has no influcence.

 

[barbos]

Maybe you are too stupid to understand that Nuland is American diplomat and has no influence over the treaties that the EU or Ukraine Propose or engage in.

I think I am not the stupid one among us two.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

GOP senators back Trump's demand for Ukraine elections, but won't call Zelenskyy 'dictator'

Republican lawmakers are backing President Donald Trump’s insistence that Ukraine hold elections, even if they don’t share his belief that Volodymyr Zelenskyy is a "dictator."

www.foxnews.com

 

[robnisch]

Maybe you are too ignorant to notice that the USA isn't part of the EU.

LOL, US is not part of Ukraine either. You just pay for everything there, with no strings attached. "Ukrainians" can do whatever they want, no strings, none whatsoever. It just happened that these "Ukrainians" are nazis, but that is pure coincidence, US has no influcence.

Define Nazis, please.

 

[barbos]

Maybe you are too ignorant to notice that the USA isn't part of the EU.

LOL, US is not part of Ukraine either. You just pay for everything there, with no strings attached. "Ukrainians" can do whatever they want, no strings, none whatsoever. It just happened that these "Ukrainians" are nazis, but that is pure coincidence, US has no influcence.

Define Nazis, please.

In that particular case people who glorify Hitler and his collaborators, and who is also bent over on creating linguistically and culturally pure Ukraine, free of anything Russian, Hungarian, Romanian and the rest, but mainly Russian, becasue Nuland has a russian axe to grind.

 

[barbos]

Boeing is returning to Russia
And another Korean automaker (other than Hyundai/KIA), which I have not heard before is returning as well.
Samsung is returning also.
Visa, MasterCard are returning as well. But russian MirCard took all the market and it will be hard for them to return.

Boeing is of course is in deep troubles with everything and needs all the help they can get to compete with AirBus.
Sanctions go bye-bye

I wonder how google is going to to return. Right now russian courts have redunculous fines something like 10^20 US dollars.
Obviously they have to cancel them for google to return.

 

[barbos]

something like 10^20 US dollars.

I checked, in October 2024 it was 2.E36 rubles it's about $2.e34

But it grows exponentially every second. so it's probably 10 zeroes more.
Oh, I see, it doubles every week so roughly $1.3e+39

 

[barbos]

Meanwhile Baltic States imbeciles and crazy nazi lady (Ursula von der Leyen) conducted pompous and very cringy ceremony of disconnecting Nazi Baltic states from ..... Russian Electric Grid. Who knew these assholes were still integrated into Soviet Era system.
Anyway, one of the imbeciles there said "Goodbye Russia, Goodbye Lenin (!!!)" What a tool.
Bulk prices of electricity doubled, don't know about retail.

When I see these idiots from Baltic states, it always reminds me about soviet time. They were the coolest republics in Soviet Union. Now they are shithole of EU, along with Bulgaria and Albania, Albania is in EU, right?
Anyway, they won't admit it, but on relative terms they downgraded significantly when they left USSR and joined EU.

Albania is not yet in EU, still too shitty for EU, plus they are muslims.

 

[barbos]

Jeffrey Sachs seems optimistic:

 

[marc]

I've heard the term 'going old school' in terms of fighting, but I don't think this is what is usually meant by that.

Russia Turns To Logistics Donkeys Amidst Vehicle Shortage Woes

"World's second strongest army!" my ass.

crooksandliars.com

 

[barbos]

I've heard the term 'going old school' in terms of fighting, but I don't think this is what is usually meant by that.

Russia Turns To Logistics Donkeys Amidst Vehicle Shortage Woes

"World's second strongest army!" my ass.

crooksandliars.com

The source is ukro-nazi propaganda outlet.

 

[barbos]

And Arestovitch is being pessimistic about Ukraine:
And I totally agree about three problematic things which Ukrainians as people have
He named them, not me.

Арестович назвал «неудержимое желание халявы» одной из причин «украинской трагедии» - Газета.Ru | Новости

Арестович назвал три главных фактора украинской трагедии

www.gazeta.ru

 

[barbos]

Georgians are talking about how western governments were trying to force Georgia to open second front against Russia.
I think they need to name names, so Russia put them on the list of mofos who should never be allowed to Russia.

Мэр Тбилиси рассказал о требовании Запада открыть «второй фронт» против России - Газета.Ru | Новости

Мэр Тбилиси Каладзе: силы Запада требовали открыть «второй фронт» против РФ

www.gazeta.ru

 

[ZiprHead]

Boeing is returning to Russia

Not quite.

British firms among companies to have exported aircraft parts that reached Russia

Analysis suggests aircraft parts from more than 100 western companies reached Russian aviation industry via India

www.theguardian.com

Data shows aircraft parts from more than 100 western companies reached Russian aviation industry via India

There is no suggestion of wrongdoing by western companies, nor that they were aware that their products were being moved on to Russia by the Indian firms.

The direct sale of aircraft parts to Russian airlines and firms has been banned by the UK and the EU and is heavily restricted by US authorities.

Western allies have struggled, however, to deal with the scores of intermediary firms that have moved in to prop up Russia with western-made goods and technology.

The UK government highlighted its concerns in January when issuing new guidance for exporting businesses on “countering Russian sanctions evasion”. Firms were told to “undertake due diligence to ensure that the end destination of these products is not Russia”.

And again, Barbos treats us to his standard inkling of truth in the big lie.

 

[TV and credit cards]

British firms among companies to have exported aircraft parts that reached Russia

Analysis suggests aircraft parts from more than 100 western companies reached Russian aviation industry via India

www.theguardian.com

Data shows aircraft parts from more than 100 western companies reached Russian aviation industry via India

There is no suggestion of wrongdoing by western companies, nor that they were aware that their products were being moved on to Russia by the Indian firms.

The direct sale of aircraft parts to Russian airlines and firms has been banned by the UK and the EU and is heavily restricted by US authorities.

Western allies have struggled, however, to deal with the scores of intermediary firms that have moved in to prop up Russia with western-made goods and technology.

The UK government highlighted its concerns in January when issuing new guidance for exporting businesses on “countering Russian sanctions evasion”. Firms were told to “undertake due diligence to ensure that the end destination of these products is not Russia”.

So when the order requests of these Indian companies significantly increased because they're supplying this whole other country no one on this end thought to wonder why. I guess wondering why wasn't part of their required due diligence. No "know your customer" requirement. It's all about the Benjamins.