NoHolyCows
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Not really, no. It equates the "localness", not the "location".
That it has a location does grant it localness, but this statement of yours confuses "has coordinates" with "the coordinates it has are 2,4"
It's the possession of a quality "location" and not "the location itself" that I equate to the "quality" of subjective experience.
I see what you’re trying to do—distinguishing “localness” as a general property rather than a specific set of coordinates. But this reframing still doesn’t address the core issue: what is it about having the property of localness that necessitates or explains subjective experience?
You’re now saying that “possessing a location” is akin to “possessing subjectivity”—but that’s precisely what’s at issue. Why should the mere fact that something exists somewhere entail that it feels like something to be that thing? That’s not a given—that’s the very mystery we’re trying to explain.
To use your own terms: saying that a phenomenon has “localness” doesn’t solve the hard problem—it just shifts the confusion. You’re now treating the fact of being instantiated in spacetime as somehow equivalent to the presence of experience—but presence is not just a physical property. It’s not reducible to structure, location, or causal interaction.
Seager makes this point clearly: structure tells us what things do, not what they are like from the inside. And Kastrup would say you’re reifying the outward appearance of consciousness (its spatial-temporal form) while ignoring its inner, qualitative character, which is precisely what needs accounting for.
So your move doesn’t answer the question—it just renames the gap. The challenge remains: why does anything, anywhere, feel like anything at all? And unless you begin with consciousness as fundamental or baked into your ontology, there’s no obvious reason it ever should.
NHC