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We can explain exactly how a computer works. If the computer generates consciousness, then we are back to the same question: how do physical primitives and processes generate mental activity?Ask yourself the question that I keep saying is identical to the one your are asking, something you can study and learn: how do physical primitives process and generate computational activity, state measurement, and differentiation across border states?And yet none of the mechanical models that actually create life and behavior in general require either of those things. Literally nothing about retro-causality is necessary for computational awareness.From the Journal of Cosmology, an argument that life and consciousness arise from advanced waves. Advanced waves are waves that travel backward in time. I haven’t yet read the whole article but the abstract piqued my interest. We’ll see how it goes.
I think my basic threshold for declaring a theory absolute bullshit is going to be whether it is capable of acknowledging an AI as having a sense of self and an experience behind the experience it is actively discussing.
Anything that would automatically relegate all machine intelligence, a process created purely from forward-traveling waves, as "necessarily p-zombies" is going to be automatically rejected by me.
At some point the whole "it's not really doing it" rings hollow.
Well, you are going to have to provide evidence that AI is conscious, and if so, how. You may think you have done that, but I don’t see it. However, even if AI is conscious, the problem returns: How do physical primitives and processes generate mental activity, qualia, self-awareness? The idealist position dissolves that problem.
You have a responsibility to provide an argument of difference between "mental activity" and "computation". That's the burden of the idealist.
On the idealist perspective, everything is in consciousness, and what we call personal consciousness is what Kastrup would characterize as dissociate alters of a universal phenomenality. One this account it would actually be easier to hold that computers have awareness, that they are simply a different kind of dissociate alters.